Michael Levin

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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal · Michael Levin and Anna Ciaunica: Consciousness Beyond the Brain · 29 Jan 2025 podcast

So what's different along the spectrum, there are a number of interesting things.

But the the key thing here is what are the bag of tools that you're going to bring to optimally relate to that system?

So with the mechanical clock, you are not going to reward it or punish it or convince it of anything.

Your only bag of tools is rewiring, physical hardware rewiring.

That's pretty much all you're going to do with it.

Once you

Reach something like a thermostat, you have some more interesting options from cybernetics and control theory, where now you don't even really need to know how it does what it does.

What you need to know is A, that it is a goal-seeking system, and B how to rewrite the goal.

So if you wanted to keep the temperature in your house at a different range, you know how to rewrite the goal, and then you can walk away and trust there's a degree of autonomy, there's a degree of trust.

You know this thing, you know, you it isn't going to uh ponder why the house.

at a certain temperature, but but the one thing it is going to do is is hold on to that goal that you've specified for it, right?

So that's interesting.

Now now we can control that system by rewriting the goals.

But you do need to dip into the hardware and rewrite the goals.

Now you get to something like a dog and of course there's a million things in in between the spectrum.

You get to something like a dog or a horse.

Interesting.

Thousands of years before we knew any neuroscience whatsoever, you could train a dog or a horse.

You didn't know anything about its synapses.

You didn't have to go in and try to run the thing like a puppet with, you know, moving all the all the neurons around.

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