Michael Levin
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1,198 appearances
4 recordings
1 series
first heard Jan 2025
last heard Apr 2025
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So so my point about all of
That is that I think all of these terms, in terms of um these cognitive terms, um the mentalistic terms and so on, I think all of these things are interaction protocols, exactly as Anna was saying, they are ways that we are going to relate to the system.
They're not objective facts about the system floating off by itself, they are relationship um um uh claims.
So what that means is if you if you call me up and you say I have a heap of sand and I need to move it.
I I don't want to argue about the definition of a heap.
What I do want to know is, am I bringing tweezers, a spoon, a shovel, a bulldozer?
What am what am I bringing?
Right?
It's functional.
How are we going to relate to this thing?
And so the terminology is only useful to the extent that it gives us a bag of tools to work with.
So now let's imagine.
So I call this the the spectrum of persuadability.
Uh and it's that that's kind of an engineering take.
You can also say that at the right side of the spectrum it's more about um bi-directional vulnerability and friendship and love and all these things.
But but let's just let's just look at the spectrum.
So uh I'll just give you fourth things that are on the spectrum.
So on the left side you have a mechanical clock.
Okay.
And then you have something like a thermostat, and then you have something like a dog, and then you have something like a human, and who knows what you have after that.
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