Michael Pollan

Yeah, pharma has been notably quiet. And I think they're starting to wake up and notice what's happening. They're often kind of late. But in general, it's been a good education to me on how politics works. And the strength of your opposition is a big part of it. But things can change really fast in this country. You know, we just, the last month has shown us that, how much can happen in a month.

It's true. It's true. So I don't think we should assume because it's an uphill slog now that it will always be that. I think that the conditions will be right. I think that the issue is ripe for the kind of attention that it needs to really move it forward. When an issue is not front and center in our politics is when the lobbyists have the most power. That's right. Because they go unnoticed.

It's true. It's true. So I don't think we should assume because it's an uphill slog now that it will always be that. I think that the conditions will be right. I think that the issue is ripe for the kind of attention that it needs to really move it forward. When an issue is not front and center in our politics is when the lobbyists have the most power. That's right. Because they go unnoticed.

It's true. It's true. So I don't think we should assume because it's an uphill slog now that it will always be that. I think that the conditions will be right. I think that the issue is ripe for the kind of attention that it needs to really move it forward. When an issue is not front and center in our politics is when the lobbyists have the most power. That's right. Because they go unnoticed.

But if we can raise the profile in the public conversation you know, that can do it. And, you know, we do have a ticket now on the democratic side with two people who really understand the importance of food and children. And, and so we should be lobbying them too.

But if we can raise the profile in the public conversation you know, that can do it. And, you know, we do have a ticket now on the democratic side with two people who really understand the importance of food and children. And, and so we should be lobbying them too.

But if we can raise the profile in the public conversation you know, that can do it. And, you know, we do have a ticket now on the democratic side with two people who really understand the importance of food and children. And, and so we should be lobbying them too.

Me too, me too.

Me too, me too.

Me too, me too.

It was more than a- But then gay marriage happened really quickly. That's right. I mean, amazingly fast. Obama got flat-footed. It was flat-footed. Biden came out and like, what are you talking about? And then months later- So yeah, history speeds up sometimes.

It was more than a- But then gay marriage happened really quickly. That's right. I mean, amazingly fast. Obama got flat-footed. It was flat-footed. Biden came out and like, what are you talking about? And then months later- So yeah, history speeds up sometimes.

It was more than a- But then gay marriage happened really quickly. That's right. I mean, amazingly fast. Obama got flat-footed. It was flat-footed. Biden came out and like, what are you talking about? And then months later- So yeah, history speeds up sometimes.

I was surprised too.

I was surprised too.

I was surprised too.

Absolutely. I mean, what's happened since 2018 is I never would have imagined. how many, you know, how many studies are going on, how much research is being done and how many people are seeking psychedelic therapy.

Absolutely. I mean, what's happened since 2018 is I never would have imagined. how many, you know, how many studies are going on, how much research is being done and how many people are seeking psychedelic therapy.

Absolutely. I mean, what's happened since 2018 is I never would have imagined. how many, you know, how many studies are going on, how much research is being done and how many people are seeking psychedelic therapy.

Yes. And I really didn't think that there was a, you know, large audience for a book on psychedelics. I was just personally fascinated. But yeah, I mean, I think the book, I hear from, especially from scientists, that it became okay to study this after the book came out.