Michael Shellenberger
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first heard Oct 2024
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And I'm going to tell everybody on the 20th. I mean, first of all, I'm really happy that they're going to disclose. And I want to raise expectations about what the Trump administration is going to do. We want the data. And I mean, someone was criticizing me because they were like, oh, because I came out. I said, oh, I'm confident the Trump administration is going to share the data.
And they're like, that just shows that Schellenberger is, you know, it's like pro-Trump and whatever. And I was like, no, I'm just like pro-disclosure. I want the expectations to be high because they should be high. There is so much information they're not releasing. So, you know, they were over Bedminster. And he's talked about it twice now, by the way. He's distressed about it, obviously.
He's worried about it. So we're either headed for a pretty epic moment of disclosure. There's another part of me that worries. Okay, so it seems like, yeah, they could do disclosure and we could find out what it is. There could be aliens. If it's aliens, that's just a whole can of worms. And then you have to be like, do we talk to them? And if so, who's doing that? Do you think we have? No.
I genuinely don't know. I genuinely don't know. I mean, there's this guy named, I can't remember his first name, Stringfield. He wrote this incredible thick book of UAP crashes, crash retrievals. And he started doing it, I want to say, 50s or 60s. And I think he went for like multiple decades. And you just sit down with that book and it is like...
it's impressive i mean if it's a hoax it's just um one of the greatest hoaxes of all times you know like other hoaxes um you know like the protocols of the elders of zion or whatever they're they're really bad like they're really you're just like this is like the dumbest hoax ever like most hoaxes are not that sophisticated with all these details unless people interviewed of course roswell was the big case but it's only apparently one of them there's others
So there is this incredible, you know, gray literature never published by any academic press, by really a little bit of commercial nonfiction. Obviously, you have David Grush and Lou Elizondo. I testified in front of Congress on this in November. I guess I was in December or November and, you know, two people, the two guys from the military, when we were asked, what are they?
Two guys said non-human intelligence. And then me and the NASA guy said, we don't know. Because I just don't. I mean, I just. What do you think the drones over in New Jersey were? I mean, look, let's just look at the possibility that they're human. They didn't get a single one of them. They didn't down a single one of them. Not a single one of them crashed. And there was a lot of them.
And there was a lot of, look, there's a lot of mistaken sightings. You know, it is easy to mistake things. It's totally natural. But there was also, I mean, I interviewed mayors, two mayors, One of them was like, I had an SUV-sized drone flying over my house. Another one said he was going to a Fox News interview in New York.
The car came for me, walks out his door, and there's one hovering right over him. And he felt like it was watching him, like it was there monitoring him. I mean, that's weird stuff. So we can't get a single drone down. They're over military bases. They can't seem to get any of them. You know, do I think the Chinese could be behind or the Chinese?
I mean, when the Chinese decide to like encroach in the South China Sea, when they decide, you know how they'll like warn the United States occasionally, you're flying over our airspace. It's all super calculated and like... It's like a performance. The Chinese are like, we're messing with you, like you all kind of know.
And they're doing it in ways where they don't want it to escalate, but they want to get a little bit more of that space. It's all super calculated. Now, there was the balloon. Are there Chinese balloons? Yeah. But I mean, to be buzzing our military bases, it's just so aggressive.
Now, when I've said that before, I've had other people point out, they go, well, they're aggressive with the cyber attacks, right? I guess that's true. As a physicalist, I guess I kind of go flying your drones over U.S. military bases and nuclear plants, that is just a level of aggression that just doesn't seem characteristic of the Chinese. Unless you were – well, of course I agree with you.
Yeah. I mean, I don't know. That just doesn't it just I just got to say it's just it's so aggressive. And and also but the other thing is that like, you know, reckless actually seems really reckless. And the Chinese have not been seeking confrontations like that for the most part. Now, Jesse Michaels, who is doing some of the best reporting on this issue of UAPs, he's doing YouTube videos.
He just did a documentary that was incredible. I think it's like a couple of hours, highly recommended, that goes through the very long history of unidentified anomalous phenomena over U.S. military bases, including all these cases of – several cases of them shutting down –
missile system like a 65 year long history yeah yeah and there was this famous press conference with like missileers and others from military bases in Washington DC I want to say in the 90s maybe maybe 80s so you know like that predates Any of the Chinese stuff by far predates all the drones. So that was going on for a really long time.
I mean, if you just kind of if you step back and you look at it, it looks like a very like what is it communicating on a very basic level? It's definitely communicating dominance.
You can read it in a lot of different ways, and that's similar to what the Navy pilots said around the tic-tac interactions off both coasts, is that these were phenomena or objects, whatever you want to call them, or craft, that were just demonstrating dominance over our craft. They were able to do things that our craft weren't doing.
Yeah. Then the question would be, so if it is NHI, then the question is, are they communicating something? If they are communicating something, why would they only be doing it in that way? If you're trying to demonstrate your strength and adversary or something, you're trying to send some message, why would you just do that? Because there's nothing that we can do with that information.
So then you have to wonder, okay, if it is NHI and it's behaving in that way. Non-human intelligence. Yeah, non-human intelligence. Then is there some – is there actually some other communication going on that we don't know about? And, of course, there's just a long history and there's all these crazy stories of presidents. I mean, going back to Eisenhower –
I genuinely don't know. I mean, I might be more shocked if they were human-made because of their behaviors and they never were able to get one. I did have somebody tell me recently that they had heard... I mean, again, it's always secondhand. It's so untrustworthy. But somebody told me that... that the military got one of the orbs, the famous orbs, and opened it up, and it was Chinese.
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