Michael Shellenberger
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first heard Oct 2024
last heard 18 Feb
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I mean, if that's the case, then somebody has mastered anti-gravity, and that's almost harder for me to believe than that it's NHI, because... I mean, it's just I mean, I don't know. I mean, look, we have a I mean, here's the I literally I go back and forth. You see me doing it in the same conversation. But we have these huge black budgets in the military. I mean, just gigantic.
And they've been there for decades. So is it possible to cover up something like that? I think it might be. I mean, I'm much more after having covered the Hunter Biden laptop and. I mean, Russiagate too, but really the Hunter Biden laptop, I was just impressed by how many people were involved in the conspiracy to cover it up.
I mean, you had the FBI getting it, covering it up, basically working with Aspen Institute to run a disinformation campaign. By the way, this is Vivian Schiller and Garrett Graff run the disinformation campaign aimed at persuading journalists in advance of the release of the Hunter Biden laptop that it was a Russian information operation.
Garrett Graff is the guy that goes and does the big UFO book. So these things all I mean, this was very weird. So he comes out with a big book on UFOs. I think it was last year's called UFO Garrett Graff. This is somebody that is famously close with the intelligence community. His other books were on Watergate and on 9-11. The book... And both of which were totally legitimate. No, for sure.
And I'm sure the official story is everything we need to know. So, you know, you sort of go... And what was his conclusion on UFOs? Well, it was very... It's the... The narrative is that they don't know what they are. So he doesn't fully... He's not like a debunker, like these guys who are like, oh, we can explain everything. So he's much more sophisticated than that.
But it's basically a debunking. It's basically that... It's basically that it's just all the typical explanations and then maybe some U.S. military programs. But he also just says that he just argues that the U.S. military doesn't know what it is. I don't believe Garrett Graff.
And the reason I don't believe Garrett Graff is because I saw him participate in a disinformation campaign on Hunter Biden laptop. And I know for a fact there's something else going on. at that Aspen Institute program. And Aspen Institute, of course, is a massive U.S. government-funded NGO that cosplays as a kind of bourgeois gab fest.
So there I mean, so I'm like that was for me, that was all came out on the Twitter files. I discovered that in the Twitter files. And for me, it was like pulling back the curtain.
And you actually have as a journalist like you, we have the emails, you know, like you have the documents, you have the tabletop exercise where they're brainwashing journalists into believing a lie about the Hunter Biden laptop.
that was so sophisticated of that because they basically go and brainwash journalists before the story comes out because they know they're listening to giuliani you know their fbi tap on juliana they're listening to julian they had they knew they had to go brainwash the journalists they go get all the journalists from all the major outlets plus the social media platforms in these seminars where they program them
Um, I mean, that was like, for me, it was like, wow, there's like a secret government. Like it was like, there's some, there's like a whole, there's like a whole, it's a very, and it was very just sophisticated. I don't know what else to describe it. Like it was very, everything seemed very careful. Also with all the censorship stuff, you see these limited hangouts, right?
Where limited hangouts are kind of like the public relations of a country.
covert operation of like a covert propaganda operation where like after they get caught they can be like oh no we were totally honest about what we were doing we were talking about it but they do these weird limited hangouts you'll see these people that clearly look like either directly intelligence community or their intermediaries having these conversations they put on youtube and like they're like but it's like you know a couple hundred views like they're not promoting them in any way and
And so you just kind of go, wow, there's like a whole creepy, like, world of disinformation.
Have you noticed that? Yeah. Yeah, no, I know. And you only can understand it when you see the whole big picture because there's no smoking guns ever. So there's never something you can, I mean, a hunter buying a laptop got us about as close to as a smoking gun as you can get. And it helped because it was, what helped to expose it was that you, it was partisan.
And so it was a particular partisan weaponization. My concern with the UAPs, I mean, it's now I guess the strength and a weakness is that it's become bipartisan in terms of the desire. I mean, it was really I mean, Tucker, the weirdest experience I've had, I've testified now like 12 times or 13 times in front of Congress last few years.
The weirdest experience I've had was on UAPs, seeing the Democrats and Republicans basically being aligned in wanting to get to the bottom of the UAP thing. I mean, it's beautiful. I've never seen it. I was like, I've never heard of bipartisanship. Never thought I would see it in the wild. So that is exciting.
On the other hand, I suspect that there is also some bipartisan group that's trying to prevent that information. There's no doubt about that. So, I mean, look, I mean, it is... I mean, what is gonna happen? I mean, part of me is, maybe it's my defensive pessimism on it, because like everybody else, I want the information.
Part of me is like, there's just no way they're gonna let that information out. It's just something is too, there's something about the UAP thing, like the JFK thing, where there's some secret there, That they are really, there is some group of people that really don't want us to know. So, you know. Well, that's a fact. Yes.
I mean, how about the clip where Pompeo is being interviewed about the JFK files? And then he like literally mid-sentence goes, but I mean, I've also seen the UFO files. And it was like, well, why did you just switch from like what made you think of the UFO files on the JFK files? I don't know. I mean, so anyway, is there a secret? Have we developed anti-gravity?
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