Michael Shellenberger
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first heard Oct 2024
last heard 18 Feb
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I mean, we know that in the 50s, there was a whole book on it. It's very fascinating. But there was an anti-gravity program in the U.S. military with our defense contractors. It made the cover of one of the aerospace magazines. It was like there's a cover of it. And then it just disappeared. Yeah. And so you can kind of go, I mean, the official experts go, yeah, we tried that and it didn't work.
It's like, well, that's never stopped you before. Right. Like it not working, like that's like, you know, like you would keep working on it if you can do antigravity. So the other possibility is that it just went dark and they just kept doing it.
Yeah. I mean, the problem with this issue is just, it's very frustrating because it's just all secondhand. Of course it is. And so, like the 100-byte laptop is not secondhand. Like it's firsthand and I have the documents. Now, there are a bunch of really fascinating, you know, alleged U.S., secret U.S. government documents on UFOs, on alleged alien spacecraft crashes.
They're called the, you know, Majestic documents or the MJ-12 documents. And so, the story is that, you know, that one or two of these craft crashed in 1947 near Roswell, New Mexico. And that sort of begins in, you know, and there's a whole cast of characters that allegedly, you know, including Oppenheimer, were involved in that program. You know, the.
Well, why? I mean, because he was the man, you know, like he was like he was our greatest scientist, obviously the father of the atomic bomb. And and, you know, Roswell's where the where we launched the the flights to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So it's a very symbolic event. In that sense... Maybe more than symbolic? Yeah, maybe more than symbolic.
I mean, they keep flying over nuclear, like, as my wife says, she's like, your aliens really, they don't like the nuclear, you know, because I love nuclear.
So, and I'm kind of like, I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, like, and also the most ridiculous thing is when people are like, oh, yeah, they want us to give up our, you know, the people that believe in them, they go, the aliens are here and they want us to give up our nuclear weapons. It's like, doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Yeah.
The foreign space invaders would like you to give up your most powerful weapons. But those documents, I spent a bunch of time on them and I couldn't figure out how to report anything on it because, of course, of course, FBI was like, these are all debunked. They're all frauds. But there are... First of all, there's a lot more of them. You go to MajesticDocuments.com and you can look at them.
They're amazing. I mean, if they are... And I've also had the other, and they're, by the way, in the Garrett Graff book. They're in that book. They're also in another debunking book called, by Mark Pilkington, I'm blanking on the name right now. But they all, all the people that are the debunkers deal with these documents. And their story is not that they were all hoaxes.
Their story is that they were what's called counterintelligence passage material. Right.
documents that were created by the us government but leaked to people to ostensibly be able to smoke out double agents or people like you would see them i guess it would trace these documents right like putting dye in the water to find the leak yeah yeah exactly so i mean but the thing is i mean it is like there's like one of them is a handbook of crash retrieval like for like to like that that the soldiers would ostensibly read to retrieve these crash i mean it's
They, the, if they're hoaxes, they're incredible.
I mean, like, they have, like, they have, like, they have, like, the people, like, they have, I forgot what it's called, but, like, basically, like, a manifest where they show who's checked it out and read it, and they have all these different names, and they've checked those names, and those were, like, real people at those airbases that had these...
So, and then, you know, there was one document in particular where it was a memo from JFK to the CIA Director Dulles where he says, I want to see you on this particular day. It was like July 62 or 63, I can't remember which. And now again, everyone's like, oh, that's a forgery. It's part of the MJ-12 documents or whatever. It's not real. But then they released the JFK files.
And then sure enough, we see the Dulles calendar and he had met with JFK twice that day. And nobody had known that they had had those meetings until we had that JFK memo and until we had the confirmation of the memo. So that would suggest that at least
either that document is real, the JFK memo to Dulles, or whoever forged it knew that he had met with Dulles that day and nobody else had known that. So, you know, you'd be sort of like, I guess you could still put it in the, this is why, this is the problem with this issue, is you can still, there's still plausible deniability for a lot, for all these things.
You know, you can make up a reason for why these documents are all counterintelligence passage material. Um, I don't know. That's why I just have to kind of go. I don't know. I mean, I talked to a lot of people and yeah, it's just a lot of secondhand information and the documents are secondhand.
So you kind of go there's like my world of like the Hunter Biden laptop, which still a bunch of my progressive and Democrat friends and family don't believe. You know, they still they still think the Russians were somehow involved. But like I actually have the documents and we can prove what happened there. On the UAP stuff, it's just still just surrounded in mystery.
He was very relaxed about it, too. I mean, I was struck that when he said it twice, he said it again recently, like last week, right? But then he said it in December. He goes, I don't know why they're not telling people what they are. They know what they are. And I was like, I mean, it was a really... He made it sound like it's no big deal. Like, we should just tell people what it is.
But if Trump knew what it is, and if it's NHI and Trump knows that, he seemed very relaxed about that. Because, of course, the main... The conventional wisdom among people that follow this who think it's NHI is that it's bad news, that it's not a great story, that if it were good news and that they were just friendly space brothers offering us...
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