Michael Shellenberger

No, I know. I know. No, I totally do, too. You're like, when's the penny going to drop? Yeah, kind of. Well, yeah. And I also kind of go, are they really going to disclose all the stuff that they have? I mean, we were going down, we just did a, actually, I don't know if we published it yet, but we were just going down the list of all the files that we want. Exactly.

No, I know. I know. No, I totally do, too. You're like, when's the penny going to drop? Yeah, kind of. Well, yeah. And I also kind of go, are they really going to disclose all the stuff that they have? I mean, we were going down, we just did a, actually, I don't know if we published it yet, but we were just going down the list of all the files that we want. Exactly.

No, I know. I know. No, I totally do, too. You're like, when's the penny going to drop? Yeah, kind of. Well, yeah. And I also kind of go, are they really going to disclose all the stuff that they have? I mean, we were going down, we just did a, actually, I don't know if we published it yet, but we were just going down the list of all the files that we want. Exactly.

Because, you know, people are like, oh, can we have the Twitter files for the government? You're like, yes. So what? I mean, there's so much in there, right? So Russiagate. You know, the Russia collusion hoax, COVID origins, COVID vaccines, Hunter Biden laptop. Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming there's just a bunch of stuff on Russia, Ukraine that's there.

Because, you know, people are like, oh, can we have the Twitter files for the government? You're like, yes. So what? I mean, there's so much in there, right? So Russiagate. You know, the Russia collusion hoax, COVID origins, COVID vaccines, Hunter Biden laptop. Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming there's just a bunch of stuff on Russia, Ukraine that's there.

Because, you know, people are like, oh, can we have the Twitter files for the government? You're like, yes. So what? I mean, there's so much in there, right? So Russiagate. You know, the Russia collusion hoax, COVID origins, COVID vaccines, Hunter Biden laptop. Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming there's just a bunch of stuff on Russia, Ukraine that's there.

I mean, remember, because they keep leaking, they go, they go, there's no bio labs in Ukraine. They're like, well, there were some, we were doing some help with the bio.

I mean, remember, because they keep leaking, they go, they go, there's no bio labs in Ukraine. They're like, well, there were some, we were doing some help with the bio.

I mean, remember, because they keep leaking, they go, they go, there's no bio labs in Ukraine. They're like, well, there were some, we were doing some help with the bio.

Oh, it's so much pent-up stuff. So much. I mean, we're supposed... Yeah, we have the JFK files, the UFO files, UAP files, I was just to say.

Oh, it's so much pent-up stuff. So much. I mean, we're supposed... Yeah, we have the JFK files, the UFO files, UAP files, I was just to say.

Oh, it's so much pent-up stuff. So much. I mean, we're supposed... Yeah, we have the JFK files, the UFO files, UAP files, I was just to say.

and this is someone who's pushing disclosure by the way this is not i know i don't know yeah i'm worried that it's bad news well that's the point it's bad yeah i'm worried it's bad really bad news yeah do you think that's true well i don't know no i'm not even saying it because i don't know if it's true and it is bad it's super bad

and this is someone who's pushing disclosure by the way this is not i know i don't know yeah i'm worried that it's bad news well that's the point it's bad yeah i'm worried it's bad really bad news yeah do you think that's true well i don't know no i'm not even saying it because i don't know if it's true and it is bad it's super bad

and this is someone who's pushing disclosure by the way this is not i know i don't know yeah i'm worried that it's bad news well that's the point it's bad yeah i'm worried it's bad really bad news yeah do you think that's true well i don't know no i'm not even saying it because i don't know if it's true and it is bad it's super bad

I mean, it seems like the dominant two theories are now that it's non-human intelligence or that we or our adversaries have mastered anti-gravity technology. The other scenarios of some kind of new plasma or... You know, it's just kind of the phenomenon doesn't seem to be showing up in that way.

I mean, it seems like the dominant two theories are now that it's non-human intelligence or that we or our adversaries have mastered anti-gravity technology. The other scenarios of some kind of new plasma or... You know, it's just kind of the phenomenon doesn't seem to be showing up in that way.

I mean, it seems like the dominant two theories are now that it's non-human intelligence or that we or our adversaries have mastered anti-gravity technology. The other scenarios of some kind of new plasma or... You know, it's just kind of the phenomenon doesn't seem to be showing up in that way.

yeah i mean you know and i it's hard i mean um you know they i covered the new jersey drone situation i went to jersey and interviewed a bunch of people i mean the weirdest for me the weirdest moment is where you have john kirby the defense department spokesperson and mayorkas basically on the same day or the same 48 hours just um when they were asked about they just came out affirmatively and they were like well we're definitely not getting any drones over the military bases or other sensitive sites and you're like

yeah i mean you know and i it's hard i mean um you know they i covered the new jersey drone situation i went to jersey and interviewed a bunch of people i mean the weirdest for me the weirdest moment is where you have john kirby the defense department spokesperson and mayorkas basically on the same day or the same 48 hours just um when they were asked about they just came out affirmatively and they were like well we're definitely not getting any drones over the military bases or other sensitive sites and you're like