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Michael Shellenberger

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1512 total appearances

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The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

and this is someone who's pushing disclosure by the way this is not i know i don't know yeah i'm worried that it's bad news well that's the point it's bad yeah i'm worried it's bad really bad news yeah do you think that's true well i don't know no i'm not even saying it because i don't know if it's true and it is bad it's super bad

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I mean, it seems like the dominant two theories are now that it's non-human intelligence or that we or our adversaries have mastered anti-gravity technology. The other scenarios of some kind of new plasma or... You know, it's just kind of the phenomenon doesn't seem to be showing up in that way.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I mean, it seems like the dominant two theories are now that it's non-human intelligence or that we or our adversaries have mastered anti-gravity technology. The other scenarios of some kind of new plasma or... You know, it's just kind of the phenomenon doesn't seem to be showing up in that way.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I mean, it seems like the dominant two theories are now that it's non-human intelligence or that we or our adversaries have mastered anti-gravity technology. The other scenarios of some kind of new plasma or... You know, it's just kind of the phenomenon doesn't seem to be showing up in that way.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

yeah i mean you know and i it's hard i mean um you know they i covered the new jersey drone situation i went to jersey and interviewed a bunch of people i mean the weirdest for me the weirdest moment is where you have john kirby the defense department spokesperson and mayorkas basically on the same day or the same 48 hours just um when they were asked about they just came out affirmatively and they were like well we're definitely not getting any drones over the military bases or other sensitive sites and you're like

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

yeah i mean you know and i it's hard i mean um you know they i covered the new jersey drone situation i went to jersey and interviewed a bunch of people i mean the weirdest for me the weirdest moment is where you have john kirby the defense department spokesperson and mayorkas basically on the same day or the same 48 hours just um when they were asked about they just came out affirmatively and they were like well we're definitely not getting any drones over the military bases or other sensitive sites and you're like

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

yeah i mean you know and i it's hard i mean um you know they i covered the new jersey drone situation i went to jersey and interviewed a bunch of people i mean the weirdest for me the weirdest moment is where you have john kirby the defense department spokesperson and mayorkas basically on the same day or the same 48 hours just um when they were asked about they just came out affirmatively and they were like well we're definitely not getting any drones over the military bases or other sensitive sites and you're like

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I was like, why would you lie about that? I couldn't because, of course, all else being equal, I think that people don't want to lie. Politicians don't want to lie because it just creates more work or hassle for them. It complicates your life. It complicates your life. Honesty is the best policy. So why would they lie about that? Especially because the Wall Street Journal had like –

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I was like, why would you lie about that? I couldn't because, of course, all else being equal, I think that people don't want to lie. Politicians don't want to lie because it just creates more work or hassle for them. It complicates your life. It complicates your life. Honesty is the best policy. So why would they lie about that? Especially because the Wall Street Journal had like –

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I was like, why would you lie about that? I couldn't because, of course, all else being equal, I think that people don't want to lie. Politicians don't want to lie because it just creates more work or hassle for them. It complicates your life. It complicates your life. Honesty is the best policy. So why would they lie about that? Especially because the Wall Street Journal had like –

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

They did this huge piece about all of the drone, so-called, by the way, unidentified anomalous drone flyovers over the military bases and sensitive sites, which includes nuclear plants. I mean, part of my interest in this was always, you know, I was trying to save Diablo Canyon in California. They kept getting drone flyovers.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

They did this huge piece about all of the drone, so-called, by the way, unidentified anomalous drone flyovers over the military bases and sensitive sites, which includes nuclear plants. I mean, part of my interest in this was always, you know, I was trying to save Diablo Canyon in California. They kept getting drone flyovers.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

They did this huge piece about all of the drone, so-called, by the way, unidentified anomalous drone flyovers over the military bases and sensitive sites, which includes nuclear plants. I mean, part of my interest in this was always, you know, I was trying to save Diablo Canyon in California. They kept getting drone flyovers.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

Also, Palo Verde, which is our biggest nuclear plant, three beautiful reactors there in Arizona, like a lot of... Drone flyovers. I'm also from Northeast Colorado, which is where, you know, the ICBMs are a lot of their whole did this exact same drone situation. I believe it was December. I want to say December 2019.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

Also, Palo Verde, which is our biggest nuclear plant, three beautiful reactors there in Arizona, like a lot of... Drone flyovers. I'm also from Northeast Colorado, which is where, you know, the ICBMs are a lot of their whole did this exact same drone situation. I believe it was December. I want to say December 2019.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

Also, Palo Verde, which is our biggest nuclear plant, three beautiful reactors there in Arizona, like a lot of... Drone flyovers. I'm also from Northeast Colorado, which is where, you know, the ICBMs are a lot of their whole did this exact same drone situation. I believe it was December. I want to say December 2019.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

And they had this whole interagency task force and they were like, they were like, oh, we're going to put a plane up and they kind of put a plane up and you're watching me like. You're like, well, why are they not scrambling jets? Like, what are we like? What are we doing here? Like, this is really bizarre. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

And they had this whole interagency task force and they were like, they were like, oh, we're going to put a plane up and they kind of put a plane up and you're watching me like. You're like, well, why are they not scrambling jets? Like, what are we like? What are we doing here? Like, this is really bizarre. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

And they had this whole interagency task force and they were like, they were like, oh, we're going to put a plane up and they kind of put a plane up and you're watching me like. You're like, well, why are they not scrambling jets? Like, what are we like? What are we doing here? Like, this is really bizarre. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I can't figure it out because I think the other issue is that they may not know. I mean, OK, well, so to finish that story. So then drone migrants do that. I go out and I'm just like, like, that's the weirdest lie because like it was just it's been heavily reported. I mean, the drones. I mean, the.