Michael Shermer

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4,120 appearances 2 recordings 2 series first heard Feb 2026 last heard 9 Jul

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American Alchemy with Jesse Michels · I Debated UFOs With America’s Top Skeptic (It Got Ugly…) · 9 Jul 2026 podcast

I don't know.

I'm prepared to be frustrated and, you know, but...

So I will I agree with you.

And I think this is important for the audience to be more discerning in cases.

I think you serve a very valuable role there.

And there is a dynamic with this whole field of kind of Lucy with the football.

So I think it's you know, it's constantly like, you know, disclosures around the bend sort of thing.

But I also think, if you are familiar with, obviously, Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I think consensus thought and science moves as much due to politics as it does due to truth.

Famously, Aristarchus was the first person who thought that we lived in a heliocentric universe, but it took...

You know, Galileo and Copernicus measuring it, you know, Copernicus theorizing it many, many years, centuries later in order for the consensus to shift on this sort of topic.

And then if you look at the money that's been historically spent on UFOs, it's basically nothing.

And then you look at, you know, the Robertson panel documentation, which is was meant to be classified at the time, saying, well,

Blue Book's literal explicit motive is to throw the public off and systematically downplay, suppress and rationalize UFO sightings.

Of course, you're not going to have made good scientific progress on these things that seem to be breaking our physics.

Like you're not going to because you haven't spent the proper resources or money you got just now.

Certain academic institutions are starting to take it seriously.

You have, you know, Avi Loeb and Gary Nolan, Stanford and Harvard, you know, respectively.

But like this is we're talking about the last four or five years.

So I think, yeah, on the one hand, yes, it's Lucy with the football.

And then on the other hand, it's like, give us a chance.

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