Mike Israetel

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth · 2595: Mike Israetel Unplugged (Explicit Content) · 12 May 2025 podcast

Don't go over there. Snake bites bad for you. If you think natural things are good for you, just go randomly berries off the fucking trees in the forest. Do not do that. You will fucking die. And yeah,

artificial shit a bunch of it's not great for you junk food and stuff is fucking terrible right especially in excess but you know air conditioning is great antibiotics are fucking awesome vaccines are dope and then like all of a sudden you're like okay okay so natural versus artificial doesn't work I actually just have to go and find out what's good and what's bad and it turns out some artificial things like these drugs are really just awesome and I think we're entering a world more and more as AI especially starts to decode our biology

and produce all these drugs that are incredibly awesome, you're just going to be in a world where if you stay drug free, you're going to be totally fine. But if you're on more and more of these advanced drugs, you're just going to feel, look, and be better overall. And I think embracing the very best that artificial stuff has coming for us is awesome. And there's nothing wrong with it.

And it's just a matter of, are you doing healthy shit or unhealthy shit? And the shortcut of natural versus artificial is not a shortcut because it just does not give you much information at all.

at least two things. One is your sense of identity and career. Lots of people in the fitness industry, and they might have to shift to doing some other kind of work because everyone's just fit already.

now the work can be fitness industry adjacent instead of like taking people through sets of squats in the gym you might be taking them on guided hikes through the wilderness because like that is dope for its own vibes and even if you're fit it just makes you better at hiking so i think once people get in really good shape they're going to have this unlock of being able to go out in nature and do cool that they just can't you know the average 300 pound person's not going a five mile hike through the colorado wilderness for obvious reasons

You make excellent bear food if a bear finds you. That's not really an advantage to you. So I think there's a massive pivot that many people will have to make into a very similar kind of profession, but different. And another one is... I think that there's a certain amount of doing hard things and a certain amount of just raw human movement that you have to have.

And if you don't do, you're kind of get massive cabin fever and you're pent up and you're fucking pissed. And so just suffering through super long, hard workouts is really good psychotherapy, um, Now, there are no doubt will be many psychotherapeutic drugs that mute that response that you actually will be able to be fit and happy and not need to beat the shit out of yourself.

But there's a certain amount of challenge just because it's challenging. It sharpens your mind. It makes you healthier and all that stuff. It's not going to be a disaster because I think this is an easy solution to this, but it's easy on paper and maybe a little bit harder in practice. A lot of people are going to have to shift to finding challenge somewhere else. And that's a big deal.

Right now, many of us find our challenge in fitness. But if we have fitness in a pill, maybe the challenge is pick up Muay Thai or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or boxing. That's fucking challenging. And if you're already in shape, that doesn't mean you can box, motherfucker. Get hit in the face a whole bunch. All of a sudden, there goes your catharsis. You might get into endurance stuff.

You might get into mountain biking, 50 other things to do. But fitness isn't the only thing. Every time you go to work out because it's challenging and because it's good for you, you are not going in and helping children in need. You are not hanging out with old people at old people homes or dying fucking alone.

You are not volunteering your time in the third world to help them build up the kind of structures and institutions that we have so they can have a good time. So maybe once we sort out more and more of our own problems, we can have more time and energy and desire to go out and make sense of the actual fucking world and help in a really big way.

Because in one sense, when you look at gyms right now, people are doing wonderful things to their own psychology, to their physiques, to their health. But in another sense, they're just literally wasting energy moving fucking plates up and down for no goddamn reason at all.

If we can get the chemicals to do all the fitness shit, we can open up ourselves to like two hours extra per day where you're doing anything but moving weights up and down in a fucking straight line. Which, listen, moving weights up and down in a straight line is the passion of my life. But also, there's like a lot more shit to the world that you could be doing.

And I think that is something that humans are going to have to quote unquote grapple with. But it's great. It's a great problem, but nonetheless a problem and a bit of a speed bump.

Yeah. I think there's two solutions to that. One is going out into the world and making inroads on real problems instead of just fitness. I think that's a big unlock. I feel like I just look at our fucking inner cities for love. God, who the fuck's cleaning it up? Nobody, who the fuck is mentoring children of nobody in their lives to mentor them? Nobody is fucking. Yeah.

Some people, it's not enough. We need 10 X, the number of people helping everyone out. So that's a big thing. The other thing is, this is like fucking weird, but I think it's true. Um, advanced, uh,

pharmaceuticals that um interact with your brain are 100 many of them are here already more of them are inevitable you won't have to be sad because you will be pharmacologically incapable of feeling sadness i'm going to say something fucking wacky i always have at least one of these 50 of these things on every podcast i'm on there is no reason to think based on first principles and how the brain works that eventually

AI and scientific researchers can't figure out how to make a drug that makes you feel like you do at a peak ecstasy high, except permanently and with no downsides and with no adaptations. That is 100% theoretically possible.

So you can have a pill maybe that's developed in five, seven or 10 years that if you take it every day, you are like, do you guys have any friends that are just genetically fucking happy for no goddamn reason at all? They're just like, I broke my leg, but it's an opportunity to learn. You're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I was depressed before I broke anything.

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