Mike Israetel
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5 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard May 2025
Mike Israetel’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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What it means is now you have more bandwidth that opens up for all of these other wonderful things in which you can express your conscientiousness, build your business better, spend more time with your family.
My wife was either genetically or epigenetically geared to just get fat. At one point, she was almost 200 pounds at 4'11". And she probably has more willpower than I've ever seen in a single human being. She'll break herself before she quits at stuff. And her hunger signaling was so profound that she battled it her whole life, had lots of victories, lots of defeats.
And her introduction to GLPs, to Ozempic, was the kind of thing that borders on the religious experience for the first time ever. To be like, oh, this is how normal people live their lives. And now she's whatever body weight she wants to be and lives at a category level of life experience she was unable to access before.
Because especially of females of reproductive age, having 70 pounds extra adiposity, how the world sees you, how you see yourself is totally different. She almost failed out of medical school because she was dieting so hard to try to stay at a certain body fat, their brain just wasn't working. It's easy for bodybuilders and other folks to say, well, you just got to gut through it.
Guy, you don't do anything except shoot steroids, play PlayStation, and train with weights. Thank God for your supplement contract. There was somebody on social media that she opened up about her journey. This bodybuilder is not even competitive. He's just a guy who lifts weights. He's a personal trainer. You said something like, you failed at life if you needed the Ozempic.
My friend, if we start listing off my wife's accomplishments, it's going to be a 10 to 0 against you. You're nothing to her. She had every bit more willpower. Whatever it is you got good at, she could recreationally get good at faster than you, better than you, just as a joke, and then quit, and then come back and do it again. But because you have no idea what it's like to want food that much,
You're out of touch. For me, it became very easy to connect with my wife on food drive. After I had dieted down to a body fat that was competitive bodybuilding appropriate enough times, you feel what it's like to be obsessed. All you're thinking about is food. All you're thinking about. Food tastes good to a level of you're like, am I eating drugs? What the hell is going on?
And you're in pain physically from the expansion of your abdominal tract. And you're still eating and your eyes are this wide, like a hungry, ravenous dog who like it is tortured and not allowed to eat for a long time. That's how a lot of people live in the world. And again, there's two variables that come into determining how fat you are. Primarily one is food noise. One is conscientiousness.
So if we just end the food noise, some people will still be overweight, even if they're auto-Zenpa because they're like, ah, whatever, just Reese's cups. Enough Reese's cups can defeat any amount of pharmacology so far. For those people, all those discussions about like, hey, you should be more diligent, you should be planning, yeah, they're all still valid.
But if we can just remove one impediment, amazing. People come at this from a morality, you have to earn your keep. Now, in sport competition, hell yeah, it's cheating. Now, in bodybuilding competition, they don't test for drugs at all. It's not cheating at all. But people take this morality, this cheating stuff, and they put it out in the real world.
Many of them do. Some of them don't. You also hear a total calorie expenditure throughout the week is so preposterous. Sometimes cyclists have trouble keeping up their weight. So you see all the whole range.
But if there is a drug that solves a very big problem for you that makes you better and you're purporting to be a drug-free federation, yes, you should be testing for it and it should be a banned substance.
Thank you so much for having me on. If you want to ever have a round two, just let me know.
You know, the animals, and humans are animals, animals survive with a couple of like non-negotiable needs. One of those is to acquire enough hydration, water. One of those is to stay away from predators. And another one is to acquire food in some capacity. And that's actually true for animals that even that don't reproduce.
So it's true to say that your desire, for example, for something like air, what's called air hunger, is higher than your desire for water. If someone said, listen, I'm either going to not let you breathe for the next 30 seconds or you just don't have to drink water for the next 30 seconds. You'd have to be unbelievably dehydrated to actually prefer the water more.
And you got air hunger, you got fluid hunger, aka thirst, and then you have food hunger, aka hunger hunger, and that drives you to consume calories and any kind of food you can get, really. There are gradations of food that you prefer more than other foods.
And that evolutionary drive is probably about as old as nervous systems, like all of them, worms and flies and parakeets and monkeys and humans and everyone. And so the drive to consume calories being one of the fundamental animal drives is also a fundamental human drive. And that means it is ultra, ultra deep drive. And it has a function, which is to make sure you get enough food.
But if we look at how humans evolved over the course of, let's say, just last common ancestor several million years ago, we split from primates, or actually technically still primates, I guess, we split from the great apes lineage. And what was our environment like in the interim? And it's almost completely true to say that it was largely an environment of pulsatile moments of
Lots of food availability here and there, you know, some running into a few trees which have a ton of apples on them sort of situation or felling a large mammoth and, you know, eating as much of that as possible. Interspersed with probably longer and more severe times of food is either just not much of it is around or none of it is around.
And so intermittent starvation is pretty much a thing for almost all animals, definitely a thing for humans during our evolutionary past. And so evolution doesn't design you necessarily for the future. It really only designs you for like the here and now. And it also works very slowly. And we're roughly the same biological creatures that we were, gee, 100,000 years ago, 500,000 years ago.
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