Mike Zisman

Very widely.

It's not an ESOP, but it's profit.

Not counting, well, almost 80%, including me and the other executives.

Yeah, because we raised so little money.

We only raised 11 million bucks.

Okay.

That's including you though.

You plus employees.

That's including me.

But if I take away the really senior people, it's still 60%.

My biggest thrill, I tell people, honest to God, I will measure the success of this company by how many of our employees make a significant amount of money when we sell or when we exit or do a recap.

To me, I was successful in my first company.

I wasn't really focused on the money.

So I was able to spread the equity out quite widely.

And we have people who joined us in 2010 and

got what were significant slugs of stock because it was not worth very much.

And we have incredible retention because of it.

We have over, we probably have 6%, 7% attrition, including in Romania for developers.

I like the people.

I say, well, it's either because they really like me or they own a lot of stock.