Natalie Joy

I might do all that, but we don't do that to each other.

And John did a fucking scene for the cameras to like call out his wife.

And I, you know, yeah, he was quote unquote being real, but like,

But it also we have an understanding that if we did a show like, yeah.

I think he.

But if if if we sat down and did a scene and given how we kind of talk about how we approach things and have each other's back, if one of us did that.

The other person would have been like would have been would be caught off guard and felt very violated and pissed.

And like Lisa knows that like you're giving them exactly what they want.

They're going to use this.

They're not going to cut it.

And if John chose to say those things to his wife on camera without like giving her the heads up, I think Lisa has every right to feel the way she does.

It's too big of a thing.

Carlos King of it all.

Like, I think, again, producers and people who produce these shows, like they're often the scapegoats and the punching bags for like cast members and fans when things don't go their way.

But and they're not angels and they're not perfect people, but they're just doing their job.

Yeah.

And they're often an easy scapegoat for cast members.

And here's a situation where we have Meredith, like in a situation, she got herself in trying to throw every, anyone under the bus to kind of like deflect the attention off her.

And I think the rest of the cast thought it like, just thought it was really low.

of her to pull the whole like production excuse on them.