Natalie Joy

Would you, and now following your experience, do you have the same opinion as Golden?

How does special forces compare with training camp?

Were you ever hearing voices?

Oh, all the time.

Because, yeah, there were like...

soldiers don't get ready they stay ready they would always say that to us and by like yeah day two or day three we're sitting at the edge of our cot and people would jump up because you know like yeah because if you don't if you don't respond to them quickly you get punished at that point you're just tired of getting your ass kicked uh yeah we definitely started hearing what was your wife's reaction because obviously she's like used to you being gone on the road football is a very dangerous sport so going into this what was her reaction to it

You hear a lot from football players, especially like yourself, who played at the highest level for a long time.

The transition from being a football player in an NFL to not playing can be very difficult emotionally, mentally.

Like you said, you've played your whole life.

And like, you know, relatively speaking, you're like, you're a young man.

Like you are, you know, like compared to like normal people, you, you're in your prime, you're young NFL standards.

You know, it's a different, you know, like, oh shit, you're 29.

Like, oh my God, you're about to die.

You know, but what is that?

What does that transition been like for you?

And, and has it been difficult emotionally or mentally at times to, to transition from that level to a more, I guess, say normal, quiet life?

Hard no, hard no.

Hearing you tell that story, I'm curious.

Ever since I've been a dad or now that I got married, there's just been a couple moments.

What you experienced, that must have been pretty scary and traumatic.