Nathalie Cabrol

I'm not talking about scientists here.

Actually, I'm talking about politicians.

We've gone beyond that point now.

This is what I'm worried about.

I mean...

torture, et cetera, unfortunately, well, we are apes, exactly what you said.

So I think that there is a lot to be, not to blame grandpa for that, but because we can always get better.

But we have to improve a lot on that side before we can claim that we are a mature civilization.

You don't have to be scientific all the time.

I am going to make such an unmagical response to that.

My response is, that's the scientific response, that if we are alone, then the universe is a statistical absurdity.

Yeah.

And I have no doubt in my mind, and that is an unscientific response as well, but I have no doubt in my mind that the universe is steaming with life.

This is what life does.

Unfortunately.

L is not about that.

L is about how long a civilization is capable of being detectable, which means that rich technologies and being detectable.

Yeah.

We had civilization for thousands of years.

We started to be detectable 150 years ago.