Nathan Barry

And then I worked for this company, Unity, on their software design team.

Yeah.

And then I've been running KIPP for the last 12 years, so unemployable is probably the technical term.

Yeah.

So in the web design world, people would always say like, oh, you're self-taught.

And I was like, that's kind of true.

But really, all of my teachers for learning web design were all of these bloggers who were writing about here's how to do this thing in CSS.

Here's these Photoshop techniques and all that.

I felt like self-taught was always kind of a weird thing.

Like, no, I had teachers.

I didn't know them, you know, but this amazing community on the internet were my teachers.

I was just self-motivated to go through and learn the material myself and all that.

So probably from 2007 onwards, I was following a lot of blogs.

First web design and then kind of into business and on from there.

And then a couple things happened.

First, the company I worked for, in 2010, the iPad came out.

And they said, hey, we want to have an app in the App Store the day the iPad is released.

And we want you to design it.

And I had no idea what I was doing.

And so myself and then a couple developers in the company had sort of this trial by fire of learning how to design and build iPad apps.