Nicola Tallent

So it's a bit of both.

So it's all kind of back again into the ether, this whole thing.

You gave him platform.

You didn't interview him hard enough.

And he nearly got elected because of you.

Clearly this podcast.

To start with the play itself, because there's been an awful lot of discussion around it and people being brought forward to make comments about it.

And most of the people I've seen who are making the comments haven't actually seen it.

So they're morally outraged by a piece of art, which is what I see it as, that they haven't even seen.

The play depicts Gerry Hutch in a cell and it's in the run up to the verdict being delivered in the Regency.

And it's that kind of moment where he is, we discussed on this earlier,

podcast is having a sore tummy and it's the time that he's contemplating whether he's going to be jailed for the rest of his life or whether he's going to walk free.

There's a character of a young girl who he describes as his guardian angel who's at his shoulder and watching him.

And as he faces this judgment day, essentially, he's recalling his life

and his childhood and the things that have happened and the big things and his relationship with the media and his relationship with the guards.

And, you know, is it exact?

It's pretty close to the way I think Hutch is and how he sees the world.

Rex Ryan, I think, does a very good job of getting into the shoes and into the head of him.

you don't have to agree with how he reacts to certain allegations that are made by him to himself, essentially.

But it's the way he reacts, isn't it?