Nicole Perlroth
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 14 Sep
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And we can't do this, like, game.
But to your earlier point, like, we don't have time for the beefing.
I think that actually what Anthropic did with Mythos, essentially withholding it, they announced this project, Project Glasswing, where they were going to give the model to a certain subset of companies, mostly cybersecurity companies and banks, so that they could test their own systems and basically get ahead of the threat that was going to come.
It's not perfect.
There will be jailbreaks, et cetera.
But I think it's actually a taste of somewhat good policy that we essentially, before we kind of throw these capabilities into everyone's lap, we essentially test them against ourselves.
And that way, at least have a chance of defending ourselves.
You know, there are companies coming to market that deploy agents that mimic these adversaries that you can test against your systems.
And, you know, not just the usual ways, but with social engineering and that kind of a thing.
So there are, I think, ways to essentially up-level ourselves here.
And I think the best way is probably something that looks a lot like Glasswing.
And I don't think that it's a bad idea to essentially force the frontier labs to red team these systems and give companies, particularly in critical infrastructure, advanced access to these models so that they can up-level themselves as well.
I have now been in cybersecurity for almost 20 years and the state of our cybersecurity, particularly at critical infrastructure entities, is terrible.
We'll be back in a minute.
So I should disclose here that when I left the New York Times, I left in part because I joined essentially the advisory board at CISA, which is the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency under Biden.
They wanted a journalist on that committee.
They asked me.
I said yes, but of course that meant stepping out of journalism because you can't be sort of inside the tent and reporting outside the tent at the same time.
And it was incredible because I joined just before Russia invaded Ukraine.
And a lot of CISA's efforts during that timeframe went towards getting American companies to get their shields up and also working with Ukraine's cyber defense entities and other allies to help Ukraine.
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