Nicolle Wallace

I mean, the Fox diet from Fox and Friends through Gutfeld is a lot more than sort of politics.

It's like that, do you remember that doc on Super Size Me?

That if you just eat McDonald's, like your whole body chemistry changes.

I think if you watch from Fox and Friends through Gutfeld, I think your brain chemistry could change.

I guess what I want to ask you, though, is what is the lesson in that?

Because they have a huge audience.

I mean, is there a truthful counter to covering culture in a more honest way and building an audience around that?

Can I offer a counter and ask if you buy it at all?

If you think I'm just like sipping something wishful.

Since Trump returned to office, the ICE story I have found to be such a perversion of what voters, his voters wanted.

I know from working for George W. Bush that there is zero appetite in this country for interior enforcement, which they're doing not just interior enforcement, but militarized police state inside American cities.

Nobody wants that.

I mean, nobody.

And their brutality is something that is repelling some of the most famous voices in the manosphere that only matter because they may have made the difference in his reelection.

Mm-hmm.

So I think that the coverage of the ICE excesses and the shooting last week of Renee Nicole Good is breaking through all of that headwind that we're talking about.

I think that does still matter.

Do you think we're in such a post-truth environment that it doesn't?

The Fox viewers are being fed.

Well, they're old.