Nicolle Wallace

And what is in our face is something that is not going to age well in terms of conduct that Americans accept from any law enforcement.

Right.

What a lot of people say is it's going to get worse, that they've just doubled and tripled and quadrupled their funding.

And as we both pointed out, J.D.

Vance and Trump are doubling and tripling down in their argument that this officer did nothing wrong.

I mean, frankly, the other victim of this is ICE.

No one's going to like them or trust them.

anywhere, and that's not good for ICE or the men and women who work in ICE, but they don't seem to care about that.

Where do you see this heading next?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I had a poll number yesterday on a question and I came up through campaigns that I'd never even seen asked before.

71% of all Americans think the country's out of control.

I've never seen the question asked and I've never seen a number like that.

But to your point, this isn't what anyone signed up for.

Yeah, Masha's been warning us for a long time and correct about just about everything that would happen next.

Tim Snyder drills down on the piece that I think we see the most in the groups you talked about, universities, businesses, law firms, and that's obeying in advance.

And I wonder...

Why do you think they keep doing it?

Why do you think law firms continue to capitulate?