Nicolle Wallace

But the people listening just wanted community.

You know, and they didn't necessarily hate women.

They didn't necessarily, you know, believe in all this stuff.

What they wanted is some sort of joining.

And that's what was attractive.

And to me, that is eternal for everybody.

Humanity is all about seeking community.

Tribes, yeah.

Not just tribes, but like connections.

And one of the things, speaking of this show, someone was like, what is the thing to live forever?

I don't want to live forever, by the way.

And I'm like, there's two things that will help with longevity.

Don't be poor.

And we can talk about that inequality around health.

and have friends and family.

And scientifically, it's absolutely, the connections are very clear, is the more time you're isolated online, the more time you have these weird relationships with synthetic chatbots, for example, the less happy you are, the sicker you are, the quicker you are to have a shorter life and a less satisfying life.

And so a lot of what's happening with digital is really bad for our health, but it also could be good for our health.

So is it just a...

twist of fate or deep irony that the tech bros are sort of out front as champions of all the longevity hacks?

No, because they've hacked everything else and they think this is hackable.