Nikki Verda

digestible that it is so short you can say in a sentence and also it makes you understand who they appeal to i think really well you know like charlie versus taylor they couldn't be different from one each other sonically but i so you so deeply understand who likes charlie and why they like her and people who wouldn't like charlie and why they wouldn't like her and i think she what's interesting about her she doesn't care yeah it's not for everybody you know like she under like there's so many people out there who are not going to get i'm everywhere i'm so julia

digestible that it is so short you can say in a sentence and also it makes you understand who they appeal to i think really well you know like charlie versus taylor they couldn't be different from one each other sonically but i so you so deeply understand who likes charlie and why they like her and people who wouldn't like charlie and why they wouldn't like her and i think she what's interesting about her she doesn't care yeah it's not for everybody you know like she under like there's so many people out there who are not going to get i'm everywhere i'm so julia

You know what I mean? She doesn't care.

You know what I mean? She doesn't care.

Yes. But I think that was a result, not the intention.

Yes. But I think that was a result, not the intention.

But that is also an inevitability of just like success. You know what I mean? Like once you get to a certain level, people just, well, saying whatever, blah, blah, blah. And like it, whatever. And that's fine. Also, I think like weirdly artists get in their own head about that. There was this really good quote. God, I can't fucking remember it now, but it's so applicable to this. It was like...

But that is also an inevitability of just like success. You know what I mean? Like once you get to a certain level, people just, well, saying whatever, blah, blah, blah. And like it, whatever. And that's fine. Also, I think like weirdly artists get in their own head about that. There was this really good quote. God, I can't fucking remember it now, but it's so applicable to this. It was like...

don't spend your time being niche waste, like pining to be something bigger because once you get bigger, you can never go back to being niche. Something like that. And I was like, Oh, that's like a really interesting thing. You know what I mean? Like this idea.

don't spend your time being niche waste, like pining to be something bigger because once you get bigger, you can never go back to being niche. Something like that. And I was like, Oh, that's like a really interesting thing. You know what I mean? Like this idea.

Pining over getting bigger. Oh yeah. Like people in these, like that have like these really like small, like niche, like cult, like fandoms, um, you know, always pine for like greater appreciation or like the scale that they see other artists having. But I think once you get to that, like scale, um, You can't put it back in the bottle.

Pining over getting bigger. Oh yeah. Like people in these, like that have like these really like small, like niche, like cult, like fandoms, um, you know, always pine for like greater appreciation or like the scale that they see other artists having. But I think once you get to that, like scale, um, You can't put it back in the bottle.

You know, like people know you in a way that they know. And there's going to be people who have no idea what you're talking about or referencing or blah, blah, blah. And there's a beauty in like enjoying that time when maybe not as many people like you, but the people who do like you love you.

You know, like people know you in a way that they know. And there's going to be people who have no idea what you're talking about or referencing or blah, blah, blah. And there's a beauty in like enjoying that time when maybe not as many people like you, but the people who do like you love you.

You know, gatekeep yourself. 2025, gatekeep yourself. You must. Gatekeep all things.

You know, gatekeep yourself. 2025, gatekeep yourself. You must. Gatekeep all things.

Absolutely. Which I thought was awesome. And I think even when she was having her biggest commercial success, all the things she did to market the album were still only to the subculture.

Absolutely. Which I thought was awesome. And I think even when she was having her biggest commercial success, all the things she did to market the album were still only to the subculture.

It was Boiler Room. It was her doing the performance in the middle of upstate New York, like that rave. It was her shutting down Times Square. Mm-hmm. Even as things started to scale, it made it so like Charlie isn't chasing the party. Wherever Charlie goes is the party.

It was Boiler Room. It was her doing the performance in the middle of upstate New York, like that rave. It was her shutting down Times Square. Mm-hmm. Even as things started to scale, it made it so like Charlie isn't chasing the party. Wherever Charlie goes is the party.