Nilay Patel

You're like, the metric is what do we want?

Who was like, I want this?

Are you aware of the very common trope that actually building the super intelligence from the sci-fi movies is not, like you should not build the Torment Nexus?

Is it ever going to come out?

Because I think that my understanding or my reaction to this product changes

based on whether it's actually coming out or if this is just a concept that people can react to.

But you're taking pre-orders, right?

It's like 20 bucks to pre-order it.

So it seems like it's going to come out.

So the model partner with Ava is Grok?

I would say that there's a pretty significant disconnect between saying you care about trust and safety and partnering with Grok, which is in the middle of a deep fake porn scandal.

As we speak, as we're sitting here, Grok is undressing people left and right.

I'm confident that we will be undressed by the end of this podcast.

6,000 people as the audience says.

That honestly seems low to me at the rate we're going.

Can you care about trust and safety and partner with Grok?

Grok, also made by Elon Musk, who has his own anime waifu ideas, I would say.

There's something there that is not necessarily just trust and safety.

The idea that you would have a pet on your desk that looks like a person that can talk to you.

That's a big door to open for a lot of people.