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Hello, and welcome to Decoder.

I'm Nilay Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems.

Today, I'm talking with Chris Cox, the CEO of Hasbro.

You know Hasbro.

The toys and games company makes some of the most iconic products in the world, from Transformers and My Little Pony to Monopoly and Magic the Gathering, and of course, Dungeons and Dragons.

Chris was last on Decoder three years ago.

He was a newer CEO then, just a year into the role.

And we spent quite a bit of time talking about his plan to collect more data, spin off parts of Hasbro, and really think about the future of collectibles, which at that time meant NFTs.

Look, a lot's happened in three years.

NFTs just weren't one of them.

You'll hear Chris laugh about how wrong he was throughout this conversation.

You know what did happen, though?