Noam Brown

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Lex Fridman Podcast · #344 – Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation · 6 Dec 2022 podcast

If you know that I have pocket aces, then if I bet, you're going to fold immediately.

But if you think that I have a really bad hand, then I could bet with pocket aces and make a ton of money.

So the value function in poker these days takes the beliefs as an input, which is very different from how chess and go AIs work.

That's a tough question.

I think it is much harder to estimate something like ELO rating in poker.

I think it's doable.

The problem is that the game is very high variance.

You could be profitable in poker for a year and you could actually be a bad player just because the variance is so high.

You've got top professional poker players that would lose for a year just because they're on a really bad streak.

But the same way that AIs have now taken over chess and all the top professional chess players train with AIs, the same is true for poker.

The game has become a very computational.

People train with AIs to try to find out where they're making mistakes, try to learn from the AIs to improve their strategy.

So the game has been revolutionized in the past five years by the development of AI in this sport.

So my feeling is that it's a difficult question because just like in chess, where you can't really compare Magnus Carlsen today to Garry Kasparov because the game has evolved so much.

The poker players today are so far beyond the skills of people that were playing even 10 or 20 years ago.

So you look at the kinds of all-stars that were on ESPN at the height of the poker boom, pretty much all those players are actually not that good at the game today.

At least the strategy aspect.

I mean, they might still be good at reading the player at the other side of the table and trying to figure out, are they bluffing or not?

But in terms of the actual computational strategy of the game, a lot of them have really struggled to keep up with that development.

Now, so for that reason, I'll give an answer and I'm going to say Daniel Negreanu, who you actually had on the podcast recently.

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