Oliver Stone
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard Apr 2025
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Like Biden made it personal, saying he can get a thug and a murderer, and Starmer saying he has to be punished. Putin has to be punished, not Russia. It's bizarre. We didn't talk like this back when we were mature, back in the 50s, 60s, when we talked about Russia as an enemy because we thought it was adversarial. Yes.
I disagree with that, but we thought so and we acted as such, but we didn't personally insult Khrushchev or Brezhnev. Of course. And here we are insulting them constantly. So Biden, I think, is, some people say Blinken has taken control of his mind. I don't know. But Anthony Blinken is trained in the Hillary Clinton diplomatic school. He was, for many years, he's been under her wing. Yes.
So is, I gather, Jake Sullivan.
Okay. Yeah.
I think it's a mystery. In what sense? I think it's a mystery. I don't think it's solved. No. Because all the events of 9-11 have not come out. No, they haven't. Why do you think that is? I would have to really study this, but it's just so many questions I have, so many... This is not the subject today, but it leads to this...
feeling that there's a cabal or something in washington that has been there kind of a strange ghost-like cabal that goes back to the 60s with kennedy's murder yes that continues in some strange embodiment today and i don't ask it sounds it sounds like it but it's a strange concept but i you have to think about it well we can't assess it because the files are still classified
Let's talk about conspiracies now. I mean, a lot of the lunatics have come out of the asylum, no doubt. Yes. But there's a lot out there in the public that really should be examined and questioned and asked. And that's what the establishment's freaking out because we're overloading it. You know, it's running over the rapids now. They can't defend them anymore. Yes.
Well, yeah, in a sense, I mean, I'd love to see Kennedy understood better by the mass because, you know, you still hear this silly, Lee Harvey Oswald did it stuff, you know what I mean? Allegedly, they never said alleged, you know, alleged killer. They always say killer. But, you know, those are... I feel sorry that that happened, but that's a bigger story now.
It's a bigger story because now it's the world is at stake. It's not the life of one man. He had a vision, as Peter said, of humanizing Russia, bringing them into the world community. That was defeated when he was killed. That was very badly defeated. Khrushchev fell shortly thereafter, the premier of Russia. He fell too because he wasn't sufficiently strong with the United States. So
It wasn't as appreciated as it is now. It should be read. How was it received in Washington? Oh, I would think a lot of people didn't like it because they saw him as some kind of idealistic fruitcake. Yes. I really think so. Certainly he'd fired Dulles and he'd fired the top people at the CIA, but I think there's a deeper...
People in economic activity also were upset with him because there were changes in the economics of the play. The Democrats were gearing up for the future. They were going to win the next election. That second term was very important. And they had a third-term possibility with Robert Kennedy and a fourth-term possibility with Teddy Kennedy. There was a possibility of another Roosevelt.
That was what was terrifying to the Republicans, I think, certainly to my father. And I think that ties in, you asked earlier why, you know, why, and I'm racking my brain, but I go back to my father who was a stockbroker, a very good one, and he was intellectual, he wrote about it.
To him, it goes back to World War I again, to this concept of they changed their system, they broke the rule, the international, the rules-based order was changed because now Yes. Not only did they break the treaty, no secret treaties was one of the first things they did. And all these treaties from World War I came out. The secret treaties that France, England had signed before the war.
So you see, that came out and the German treaties came out. So... But it was economic in the sense that in the United States, we had a lot of strikes going on domestically. We'd had strikes going on since the 1870s. There was a worldwide sentiment for revolution in the workers' socialist movement. It infected France, it infected England. I mean, it's well known.
And Germany was very much moving towards a workers' revolution. So that was the most scary thing to Woodrow Wilson. It was the Russians are going to destabilize the whole world. And Churchill was right there and he wasn't a leader, but certainly the English felt the same way. They were the leaders of World War I. So they had a stake in getting rid of Russia.
That's why the Starmer's recent comment the other day about punishing Putin to the maximum, It's very striking to me. The British have led the charge against Russia forever.
Yeah, may I finish my point?
It's complicated. We're talking about why. I just feel the economics are crucial to understand in the sense that The fear of the Russian Revolution affecting American workers was gigantic. Workers started to emigrate to Russia in the 1920s to work there. Conditions were supposed to be better. We talk about it in the book. And America was moving away from the capitalist ideal that existed.
I think that plays a huge role coming after World War II, also after World War I. Of course, World War I leads to World War II in my mind, but let's jump to World War II. After World War II, they were terrified, the Republicans were terrified that the Depression would return. The Depression had been a horrible experience for many Americans. They were poor. They had nothing.
They were terrified that it would come again. So the whole concept started up in the Congress of 45 with the Republicans winning. They won a lot of seats, right? 46, yeah. And they're talking about an economy, a war economy all of a sudden, like keeping people at full employment. What are we going to do with all these men coming back? Yes. And the women have taken their jobs.
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