Owen O'Kane

to realise that a lot of these things that I've been really worried about at the moment are really not that bad, are not necessarily my faults.

They're probably going to work out.

There's things that I can do about some of them.

So thank you.

That was a really helpful exercise.

Owen, everything you're telling us is so helpful.

And I know people listening will find this so helpful.

But we must point out as well, if someone is really struggling with their mental health at the moment, and you know, if they need to seek professional advice, where's a good place to start with that?

Because for some people, it will be more than this.

Honestly, Owen, I have to say, I actually feel quite emotional listening to you today because I just think there's, as I hear you talking, I'm just thinking about all the situations and all the people I know who would be really helped by hearing you speak.

And you are an amazing human.

Oh, thanks.

Thank you for having me.

For writing these books and having gone through stuff yourself, you know, learning to understand that.

I'm just telling myself, stop trying to rescue.

Stop trying to rescue.

Just be alongside someone.

Thank you so much.