Oz Veloshian

And Putin, this has always been his strategy, is I don't need to know to have the truth.

I just need for people to not know what the truth is.

As long as everything out there is plausible, then you can't turn anything away.

And that itself is a mechanism for control.

And absolutely, I think that this is part of the strategy.

It's when Steve Bannon says, flood the zone with shit.

I think that's part of the strategy.

And yet you do have the optimism of, I mean, maybe optimism is too extreme, but you do have the belief that within that reality is,

Putting out information, in the case of the puppet satire, in the case of your own commentary, is unarguably unbiased.

No one's paying you to put out a set of views for a political purpose, right?

Yeah, I could be wrong.

It happens all the time.

But it's purely my being wrong.

It's not because someone's paying me to be wrong.

But you also believe that that noise will have an audience and a constructive one, as you said, that if someone sees you doing it, they might go, hey, this is doable.

Even within that more grim description, there's a reality of they may not be neutral funnels, but they are not completely controlled ones either.

There are things that can coalesce and get out.

I'm still struck by somewhat of the eye of the beholder in that information ecosystem where you can find a lot of information about everything.

That can be incredibly valuable.

It can be entertaining.