Patti Degnan

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99 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 7 Jul

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CISO Series Podcast · What Part of Zero Trust Does Your Exception Not Understand? · 7 Jul 2026 podcast

I mean, I would probably on the first one follow Andy's playbook.

On the second one, the problem is to me, I'd be like, this is a crisis management problem and the crisis management team should be handling it.

And on the first one, yes, you're infinitely digging in to figure out what is actually reality in this scenario.

potentially because the whitelist isn't a security decision.

It's a political one.

It's a business decision.

So in that scenario, the moment these things happen, like your C-suite doesn't get a critical document, there's the pressure just to fix it, right, out of the gate.

And then it overrides all the controls you've spent time putting in place to get them what they need.

So it's like that becomes a permanent exception.

And then it becomes, let's not route this through the proper approval chain.

So I think like security loses that fight almost every time because the CEO has more organizational gravity than the CISO.

Obviously, the immediate pain is visible and loud to them and that whitelists granted under pressure are never reviewed.

But isn't that the whole question that you asked at the beginning, which is like, this becomes a problem.

I mean, Mike, I think what I would say is like there is a technology surplus and an outcomes deficit actually for a lot of the technology in the space.

Yep.

I mean, maybe that's true.

I don't feel like I feel like the world four years ago is very different than the world right now.

I think the products that people are building now are inherently different than what the problems they were trying to solve were four years ago.

Well, because that two earlier questions that we've had are creating a whole new slew of problems and a tax surface that weren't in existence before.

I also think there's a faster time to revenue for a lot of companies now.

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