Pete Buttigieg

But since we thought most of the chargers would be needed by 2030, we were okay with that.

Now, here comes Washington politics, right?

Now, here comes Washington politics, right?

And somebody gets a hold of the numbers.

And somebody gets a hold of the numbers.

They see it's a $7 or $8 billion program and then falsely try to make it look like we spent the $7 or $8 billion already on the handful of chargers that they already managed to build first, even though we never thought most of the chargers would be built even during our first term.

They see it's a $7 or $8 billion program and then falsely try to make it look like we spent the $7 or $8 billion already on the handful of chargers that they already managed to build first, even though we never thought most of the chargers would be built even during our first term.

And that's where the Washington game comes in, right?

And that's where the Washington game comes in, right?

Take something that, I mean, the jury's still out, right?

Take something that, I mean, the jury's still out, right?

The program's not done.

The program's not done.

We'll see how the Trump administration does in completing the program.

We'll see how the Trump administration does in completing the program.

But you can't really say whether it was a success or a failure until the program's been run, but they move the goalposts.

But you can't really say whether it was a success or a failure until the program's been run, but they move the goalposts.

And I'm not challenging you that there's waste, that there's bad things that happen in government spending that I don't like.

And I'm not challenging you that there's waste, that there's bad things that happen in government spending that I don't like.

So my experience in transportation is that most of it goes to very good use.