Pete Buttigieg

I hate entrepreneurs.

I hate entrepreneurs.

I don't think most Democrats do.

I don't think most Democrats do.

But I know what you mean about the vibes.

But I know what you mean about the vibes.

And we should get to the piece about Elon particularly.

And we should get to the piece about Elon particularly.

But on the substance of the question you're raising.

But on the substance of the question you're raising.

I think it's really important to think of this as...

I think it's really important to think of this as...

Not like, should it be government or should it be the private sector, but which parts should government do and which parts should the private sector do?

Not like, should it be government or should it be the private sector, but which parts should government do and which parts should the private sector do?

So to me, like the classic example is just the smartphone, right?

So to me, like the classic example is just the smartphone, right?

I cannot imagine that a smartphone designed by the federal government would be a pretty thing or that an app designed by, matter of fact,

I cannot imagine that a smartphone designed by the federal government would be a pretty thing or that an app designed by, matter of fact,

Having been in the military and dealt with, I guess you could call them apps, like some of the kind of software that you have to deal with, even if it's done by contractors, it's kind of done in a way that you can tell is designed by the government and it's not pretty.

Having been in the military and dealt with, I guess you could call them apps, like some of the kind of software that you have to deal with, even if it's done by contractors, it's kind of done in a way that you can tell is designed by the government and it's not pretty.