Pete Buttigieg

You can measure it in a total package that accounts for subsidy as well as benefit.

I mean, any number of ways.

I mean, any number of ways.

But again, if you measure it a different way, I'd love to hear it because I don't regard this as something that's deeply contested, but it sounds like you have a measurement in mind that's different.

But again, if you measure it a different way, I'd love to hear it because I don't regard this as something that's deeply contested, but it sounds like you have a measurement in mind that's different.

And I'd love to run with it and look it up so I can see where you're coming from.

And I'd love to run with it and look it up so I can see where you're coming from.

And to be clear, again, because the Laffer curve turns out to be bullshit, we did not just grow our way out of the deficits that created, right?

And to be clear, again, because the Laffer curve turns out to be bullshit, we did not just grow our way out of the deficits that created, right?

Let's just say I would love for identity to play a less central role in the politics of our country and in the politics of my party.

Let's just say I would love for identity to play a less central role in the politics of our country and in the politics of my party.

And not just because I might have been passed over for an opportunity, but just because I think it has really dominated so many people's thinking in a way that makes it harder for us to build a message across identities.

And not just because I might have been passed over for an opportunity, but just because I think it has really dominated so many people's thinking in a way that makes it harder for us to build a message across identities.

I mean, don't get me wrong.

I mean, don't get me wrong.

I don't think it makes sense to pretend that identity doesn't matter.

I don't think it makes sense to pretend that identity doesn't matter.

I don't think it makes sense to pretend to be colorblind.

I don't think it makes sense to pretend to be colorblind.

I also don't think it makes sense to allow that to explain everything, which is one of the habits that's formed, I think, definitely on my party's far left that made it harder for us to get through.