Pierre Walshtrom

And what you explain is the experience you have.

And we know this from before when it was forbidden in my country and in many other countries too.

So in our country, in my country, this is a no-no.

I mean, we cannot use it and it's not necessary.

Yes, yes, yes.

apologize to to interrupt you because no no no because uh it's that question is so hot yes it's so hot so people want to misunderstanding people want uh blame you or me or everyone else to be

abusive.

Even if we never use anything, we are still abusive people, you know, to these animals.

So if we're promoting or you're promoting either other way, or I say it's not allowed, we don't do it, we cannot do it, I'm against it, and so on, people will still connect it anyway how they want.

In Sweden, we can use different lines, but the difference between going throwing candy over the dog...

or give them corrections by equipment.

There is something between that you can use without being extreme in any way, Ivan.

I mean, not everyone breeds a Malinois or German Shepherd.

You have small Papillons, you have...

Italian smalls, I mean, you can easily get braked by different things.

But the thing is that there is the opposite side and people close the discussions and discussions that you and I have now.

This is not going on.

People are so afraid to talk about things.

So they hide it.

And you know it, Ivan.