Professor Tim Spector

These are like the things you naturally eat.

And Marcus, you hear Tim talk about the sort of the microbiome side and like the 30 plants and the fermented foods, which is obviously like the complete opposite, I guess, of what you've been talking about with these big food companies.

Now, one thing we always get asked all the time is what's Tim's favorite breakfast.

But since I've got you here and you've been talking about this so eloquently, what's your go-to breakfast?

And Tim, I know you have a view about milk versus fermented milk.

So I'd love to leave our audience maybe who's listening to this and saying, I'd like to make a change.

Mark, if you were going to say there's like one piece of advice to somebody who they could maybe start doing today who's worrying about this burden of disease, what would it be?

amazing.

I'd like to do a quick summary of what we've covered.

Hearing this, it always makes me think about what people must have said about tobacco, probably before I was really born, who were saying this is really bad.

And it was like, this is ridiculous.

Like my mom was told to smoke when she was a child.

How can this possibly be bad?

And so it makes me believe that it's possible to make some shift.

But, you know, the big thing on my mind is you just sort of said

big food is maliciously and intentionally damaging society, including our children.

It has people like cravings experts figuring out how to build exactly the most addictive food that you can imagine.

And I think you gave me the statistic, maybe like 14% of people are addicted to food.

It's just sort of similar to what happens with alcohol, which we know is very dangerous for some people who

aren't able to manage it, that as a result of this, we started 100 years ago massively increasing our health span and lifespan as we dealt with all these infectious diseases.