Rita Kozlov

And you need a container for that. So we've had that platform for a while. And the fact that, you know, that was something that we had and we had a team that was ready to go and build on it made it that much, you know, the cold start was much faster on that.

And you need a container for that. So we've had that platform for a while. And the fact that, you know, that was something that we had and we had a team that was ready to go and build on it made it that much, you know, the cold start was much faster on that.

I'm curious to actually hear more from you about what your experience has been And, you know, to your point of on one hand, it unlocks so many things and I think really changes people's perception of what's possible. On the other hand, yeah, it was really interesting. You know, I think we were all wondering how that announcement was going to go and what people's takeaways were.

I'm curious to actually hear more from you about what your experience has been And, you know, to your point of on one hand, it unlocks so many things and I think really changes people's perception of what's possible. On the other hand, yeah, it was really interesting. You know, I think we were all wondering how that announcement was going to go and what people's takeaways were.

And the takeaway surprised me. A little bit, or maybe surprise is the wrong word. But yeah, I'm very curious to see what happens when we actually put this in people's hands. And so we'd love to hear about your experience of making that shift from serverless to containers. And did you see things that surprised you? Are people using it in the way that you expected?

And the takeaway surprised me. A little bit, or maybe surprise is the wrong word. But yeah, I'm very curious to see what happens when we actually put this in people's hands. And so we'd love to hear about your experience of making that shift from serverless to containers. And did you see things that surprised you? Are people using it in the way that you expected?

Are people doing things that you're like, you know, this is... Not how I would advise you to do it, but knock yourself out.

Are people doing things that you're like, you know, this is... Not how I would advise you to do it, but knock yourself out.

I mean, people mixing all that stuff together, I think, is the really interesting part. And that's what we hope people will take away from this is that, yeah, you now have another tool in your arsenal that allows you to complete the picture or, you know, yeah, you don't have to... force everything into the same model.

I mean, people mixing all that stuff together, I think, is the really interesting part. And that's what we hope people will take away from this is that, yeah, you now have another tool in your arsenal that allows you to complete the picture or, you know, yeah, you don't have to... force everything into the same model.

But at the same time, you know, the thing that I thought was kind of interesting is I really think people see the word containers and stop reading. Which is not too surprising, I suppose, in some ways. There are literally some things like... I saw questions when we announced this that are like, does this run on Firecracker? And it, there's literally a subset that's like that.

But at the same time, you know, the thing that I thought was kind of interesting is I really think people see the word containers and stop reading. Which is not too surprising, I suppose, in some ways. There are literally some things like... I saw questions when we announced this that are like, does this run on Firecracker? And it, there's literally a subset that's like that.

Having been doing this for seven years, one thing that you realize is distributed computing is really hard. I mean, computing actually period is really hard, right? That's the challenge that most people have with applications. And if containers were perfect, then what would we even be doing in the first place?

Having been doing this for seven years, one thing that you realize is distributed computing is really hard. I mean, computing actually period is really hard, right? That's the challenge that most people have with applications. And if containers were perfect, then what would we even be doing in the first place?

Because, you know, people have Kubernetes, like, why wouldn't they just happily be running that? And I think the reality is, There are a lot of challenges that come with that, both from if you have a distributed audience standpoint, which most people do, from a scaling standpoint and how many resources it takes.

Because, you know, people have Kubernetes, like, why wouldn't they just happily be running that? And I think the reality is, There are a lot of challenges that come with that, both from if you have a distributed audience standpoint, which most people do, from a scaling standpoint and how many resources it takes.

And, you know, I think that that's kind of been the longtime argument about serverless versus not is... Yes, you can run your $5 VPS, but most things scale beyond that. And then do you want to spend your team's time on that or do you want to offload that to someone else? And a lot of what I think historically has been done with serverless and where we saw the opportunity with workers was that

And, you know, I think that that's kind of been the longtime argument about serverless versus not is... Yes, you can run your $5 VPS, but most things scale beyond that. And then do you want to spend your team's time on that or do you want to offload that to someone else? And a lot of what I think historically has been done with serverless and where we saw the opportunity with workers was that

If you try to build serverless on top of containers, you end up with something that's not really all that serverless because it's an abstraction and it gets leaked really quickly. You're still dealing with regions. You're still dealing with concurrency. You're still paying for idle time. And workers flipped all of that on its head. And so...

If you try to build serverless on top of containers, you end up with something that's not really all that serverless because it's an abstraction and it gets leaked really quickly. You're still dealing with regions. You're still dealing with concurrency. You're still paying for idle time. And workers flipped all of that on its head. And so...