Rob Henderson
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881 appearances
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4 series
first heard Apr 2025
last heard 6 Aug
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Yeah, well, what's really interesting. So I mean, you know, the basic summary of the show, I'm sure a lot of your listeners have have seen it about this boy, this 13 year old boy, who's, you know, kind of unpopular at school, he goes to the, you know, he's a working class kid, he goes to this, you know, rundown, chaotic school. Yeah.
you know, one thing a mutual friend of ours pointed out, William Costello, is that like, because he's worked in schools in the UK before, and he says like, that is what a lot of these schools look like, this sort of utter chaos, teachers barely able to contain the classroom. And this boy, Jamie, is relatively unpopular. He's sort of at the center of the story.
And the show makes references to, you know, how the kid listens to Andrew Tate and how he, you know, there were a couple of times the
he said something about like the 80-20 rule about how 80% of women like 20% of men and so there are a lot of these kind of like red pill manosphere talking points throughout the show basically suggesting heavily that this boy got like you know sucked into this online rabbit hole and then when this girl on Instagram this girl he had a crush on in his class calls him an incel he lashes out gets mad at her and then he stabs her
and then the boy's arrested, and there's this kind of interesting scene of him. The whole episode, one of the episodes, consists of him speaking with this, I think she's a psychiatrist or something, and they're going back and forth about this. It was interesting as a piece of entertainment. I thought it was beautifully shot, but I don't think... There are a lot of things about this series.
It's being treated as a documentary, but it actually doesn't really reflect what happens in real life. you know, like, like, you know, if you look at the statistics for who commits knife crimes, it's not really like white 13 year old working class boys.
If you look at the statistics for who is most interested in watching Andrew Tate, for example, you know, there was this interesting poll going around that they broke down the respondents by race or ethnicity. And it was something like 41% of, so this was in the UK, something like 41% of black males in the UK said they were fans of Andrew Tate.
And then for, what do they call it, like South Asian or something, Asian men, it was something like 30%. And then for Weiss, it was like by far the lowest. And yet when people talk about his fans, they often say, oh, these white male incels. And then the other thing was, you know, that it was just... Yeah, the whole incel thing. He's 13. The kid looks like he's 11 and a half.
His voice hasn't changed. Like, it was just hard for me to fully believe that, you know, some some like prepubescent kid is really feeling so stressed out about, you know, being a virgin or whatever. But William pointed out that actually what's interesting here is that it's not so much that he's upset about not getting laid. It's about being called an incel. And this term has become a slur.
And this really embarrassed the kid and so on. But, you know, overall, it was it was fine, but very much sort of it strayed a lot from from reality. And yet it's being received in a lot of the mainstream media as like, oh, it's this iconic series that accurately reflects what's going on with toxic masculinity and so on. Very unrealistic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting. There was that paper last year, I think, with David Buss and William Costello, where they wrote, like, why is there not more incel violence? If you look at, you know, like, if you look sort of throughout historically unstable or unstable countries, communities where...
growing numbers of young men are not doing well, unable to find partners, falling further and further behind. Usually this leads to increased violence, increased crime, and so on. And we're not really seeing as much as you would predict based on the sort of historical trend and pattern. And yeah, your male sedation hypothesis, I think that makes sense as a sort of an explanation. And
Yeah, it's it's weird that it doesn't happen that often. And then there's this fictional portrayal of it. And then that gets blown up. And that like, you know, like serious people who went to great universities and there were supposedly mature, sophisticated adults watch a Netflix show. And I just like it blows my mind that you think like, oh, that's that's how the world is.
That's how the world works. This thing, this four episode thing you saw on Netflix, that's where you're getting your information about what's happening online. This is an accurate insight into what's going on with young men.
Yeah, well, I mean, as I was watching it, you know, I thought about all the research on incels and how, you know, if you look at the mental health of incels, a lot of work from our friend William Costello here about how 67% of self-identified incels qualify for clinical diagnosis of anxiety, severe moderate anxiety. And this is like roughly twice as high among incels as non-incels.
And so then when you see this kid and he's so emotionally fragile and kind of volatile and, you know, he probably does, you know, it's a fictional character, but he probably would qualify for some threshold score above a certain threshold for depression or anxiety. And, you know, this psychiatrist lady is trying to suss this out and try to try to pinpoint, you know, what exactly went wrong.
I did find it interesting that they chose to have this character, like you said, raised in this intact family. And so, you know, I'm trying to figure out like why that specifically it could have been a single dad. That might have been interesting if what's what's the guy's name? You mentioned Stephen something.
Graham. Yeah. So if if if this show had been, you know, he was a single father, you know, working overtime and his plumber job to make ends meet. And maybe he wasn't always able to be there for his son the way that he should have something like that. The fact that he had two parents. And and so then I thought, OK, well, maybe the message is this could happen to anyone.
You know, he's a he's a nice boy from a nice family, but he just got sucked into the incel red pill rabbit hole and he got brainwashed. But, you know, that like we didn't really get an explanation here. Maybe that's supposed to be the idea here is that there is no explanation other than the incel, you know, online world.
But then you would expect, like you said, you would expect more of this kind of violence because if even boys from good homes could, you know, become a criminal like this, then you should see way more boys doing this and you don't.
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