Rob Wiblin

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · AI Control: Using Untrusted Systems Safely with Buck Shlegeris of Redwood Research, from the 80,000 Hours Podcast · 4 May 2025 podcast

Uh things keep looking misaligned.

Yeah.

So you mentioned that uh people are adopting strategies for measuring alignment that are not very adversarially robust.

Like how yeah, in in what specific way do you think that they would like fail to um to detect that it's it that a model is uh open to scheming?

Yeah, okay.

I guess we've been assuming this entire time that AIs can effectively randomize and th they they can know whether uh th th they can implement the strategy of only defecting like once every millionth uh times.

Can they do that?

not right now.

I see.

Um and do you think trying to trying to make that impossible is probably just not what not one of the best control mechanisms that you could you could implement?

I I don't

effort.

Okay.

What sort of I guess empirical evidence that you might get over the next year or two would make you more inclined to like double down on the AI control agenda versus think, oh, this isn't as promising as I as I feel right now?

Yeah.

So I would say the

risk posed by those AIs.

Uh and I guess might you want to double down on making sure that that remains the case, that we don't have them, you know, beginning to reason in code or

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