Rory O'Driscoll

And 30 years later, he's so right.

And 30 years later, he's so right.

You remember those people who turned it.

You remember those people who turned it.

It's just a personal thing because you're not just selling your product.

It's just a personal thing because you're not just selling your product.

You're not selling Ford cars on the deal or that.

You're not selling Ford cars on the deal or that.

You're selling yourself.

You're selling yourself.

And when you get turned down, it hurts.

And when you get turned down, it hurts.

So I totally agree with you, Jason, is that you do have to grow a pair.

So I totally agree with you, Jason, is that you do have to grow a pair.

You do have to get a thick skin.

You do have to get a thick skin.

But I totally get the way founders, even if it's something doesn't go wrong in the process, I totally get rejection sucks.

But I totally get the way founders, even if it's something doesn't go wrong in the process, I totally get rejection sucks.

And as yet, so that's the founder side.

And as yet, so that's the founder side.