Rory Scovel

I think it's wildly more interesting for someone to go, I have made many mistakes.

And you go, well, then who are you now?

Because if you're past those mistakes,

then you're living a real human life.

Also, if you can come to those terms and say, I didn't used to treat people well.

If you come to those terms and go, I used to... I mean, these aren't specific to me, but I did grow up in South Carolina.

Yeah.

I used to make inappropriate jokes that were maybe racial or misogynistic.

And maybe I didn't have respect for women the same way in college where I was just like being a college guy.

I know when you use this as an example, people think, well, what did you do?

What did you do, Rory?

I just mean I wasn't a gentleman.

I just mean that I didn't look at women to be like, oh, we're all equals in this way.

And I don't look now at that space in my life

yeah, I wish I wasn't like that.

But I don't look at it with embarrassment or shame because that is what led me to where I am now, where I'm not that way.

I can have a different perspective of it.

And I just think we have a lot of people that think they've lost if they admit that they weren't right the whole time.

And they don't understand that you can't bring other people towards something that's a little more peaceful if you can't even see...

your faults.