Roxane Gay

They're popular.

These ideas are popular.

And even AOC, I think she's brilliant and interesting.

She's

plain spoken.

She doesn't pull punches, Jasmine Crockett.

Let's also look to the people who are doing really great stuff.

And there are, in fact, some Democratic leaders who are doing a lovely job, especially under these circumstances.

Kara Swisher is truly a woman with her finger on the pulse of all things tech.

She has written for countless publications, including the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, but now she hosts the podcast On with Kara Swisher, and she co-hosts Pivot with Scott Galloway.

With inimitable style, she covers breaking news, opines on technology companies and the mercurial people who lead them, and is always, always ahead of the curve.

Tonight, she joins Debbie Millman and I on this live episode of Design Matters.

Cara, welcome to Design Matters Live.

Oh, I always enjoy a third row for activities.

You've noted that when you survive something that awful, very little is going to bother you over the course of the rest of your life.

And it seems like that has held true this many years later.

And so why do you think that holds true for so long?

And do you ever foresee that changing where things might start to rock your world again?

I have to say, yes, please clap.

When I hear something like that, it feels a bit mythic because I am not, even though on the page, yes, I'm absolutely that bitch.