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Because let's be honest, working at McKinsey is really boring, you know, creating the same PowerPoint every day. Right, right. I don't work there, so I don't know what they're like. OK. I've heard. So, yeah, I think it's not just about the money. People are mixed bags, right?

Because let's be honest, working at McKinsey is really boring, you know, creating the same PowerPoint every day. Right, right. I don't work there, so I don't know what they're like. OK. I've heard. So, yeah, I think it's not just about the money. People are mixed bags, right?

So status and what society values, like the kind of people we put in the spotlight who get invited to shows like this, all that matters, obviously.

So status and what society values, like the kind of people we put in the spotlight who get invited to shows like this, all that matters, obviously.

Can I push back on that? Please. Again, Dutch people push back so nicely. Well, it can be different as well. I mean, there is this tendency to say things like less is more and small is beautiful. I mean, in environmental circles, they have all these modern commandments like don't eat meat, don't fly, don't have kids, don't use plastic straws.

Can I push back on that? Please. Again, Dutch people push back so nicely. Well, it can be different as well. I mean, there is this tendency to say things like less is more and small is beautiful. I mean, in environmental circles, they have all these modern commandments like don't eat meat, don't fly, don't have kids, don't use plastic straws.

But then if you really focus on that individualist aspect of improving your life, like in the best

But then if you really focus on that individualist aspect of improving your life, like in the best

possible scenario you will have reduced your environmental footprint to zero you've basically turned yourself into a compost heap it's not very ambitious and if i look at some of these great pioneers like also like people like rosa parks like they didn't think small they thought big they were ambitious um so i've looked into the research and it turns out that more is actually more so if you help one person that's great if you help two that's twice as much right mathematics so

possible scenario you will have reduced your environmental footprint to zero you've basically turned yourself into a compost heap it's not very ambitious and if i look at some of these great pioneers like also like people like rosa parks like they didn't think small they thought big they were ambitious um so i've looked into the research and it turns out that more is actually more so if you help one person that's great if you help two that's twice as much right mathematics so

That's basically it, yeah. Oh, okay.

That's basically it, yeah. Oh, okay.

One of the things we're doing is we're starting a tax fairness fellowship. So, right. I mean, it was nice to shout to the billionaires, you know, taxes, taxes, taxes. Now we're actually trying to recruit, you know, some of the best wealth managers, the best bankers, the best fiscal lawyers.

One of the things we're doing is we're starting a tax fairness fellowship. So, right. I mean, it was nice to shout to the billionaires, you know, taxes, taxes, taxes. Now we're actually trying to recruit, you know, some of the best wealth managers, the best bankers, the best fiscal lawyers.

I mean, that is like a thin layer of corporate responsibility over a corrupt, broken business model. I mean, come on, we've got to be much more ambitious here. We're not living in 2015 anymore where you can say, oh, I'm doing good by doing well. Ah, 2015. And let's do a TED Talk about it.

I mean, that is like a thin layer of corporate responsibility over a corrupt, broken business model. I mean, come on, we've got to be much more ambitious here. We're not living in 2015 anymore where you can say, oh, I'm doing good by doing well. Ah, 2015. And let's do a TED Talk about it.

Yeah, no, that's not, I mean, this is 2025. We have one side of the political spectrum is a total moral collapse. I mean, democratic black sliding happening everywhere. Right. Especially people who have some privilege, you know, whether it's talent, whether it's, you know, wealth, whether it's your network, use it. I mean, people on the left, for so long, things like, check your privilege.

Yeah, no, that's not, I mean, this is 2025. We have one side of the political spectrum is a total moral collapse. I mean, democratic black sliding happening everywhere. Right. Especially people who have some privilege, you know, whether it's talent, whether it's, you know, wealth, whether it's your network, use it. I mean, people on the left, for so long, things like, check your privilege.

Yes, check it. And then use it. You know, have some skin in the game. Right, right.

Yes, check it. And then use it. You know, have some skin in the game. Right, right.