Ryan Hanley
👤 PersonAppearances Over Time
Podcast Appearances
You got to coach them.
Right.
No, I get it.
I started this podcast...
five years ago as a response to exactly what you said, I had founded my own business.
And as I got just like, as you described, as we grew and got more people, I got further away from doing the marketing work.
I grew up as a marketer as well.
And I was like, you know what?
I just want to create and talk and tell stories.
And I started this podcast for that reason.
It's really a catharsis for myself just to get that creativity out of me.
It's so funny.
You can't, you, you,
It's like you can try to pretend to be something and maybe even grow into something, right?
That leadership position.
But you can't escape who you are at the end of the day.
You just can't get away from it.
And you need that outlet.
And I think...
a lot of times the negativity or reactivity that comes out of leaders is maybe it's an expression of a frustration to not actually be doing what they like.