Ryan Hanley

And I just love that.

I mean, that's like the first thing I say to a founder, to an executive that I work with is, it's not about being right.

It's about getting it right.

And if you can't get past that, we can't move forward.

Like if you have to be right, this doesn't work.

But if you're willing to let

the systems, the machines, the test guide you as you layer on your experience, man, it's such an exciting time.

And Nicholas, I love that you are out there sharing this message of getting the KPI right, because there's nobody talking about this.

I mean, obviously, I run a podcast for a living.

I see all the pitches.

I talk to so many people.

This is such a unique perspective, and it's so incredibly important.

The book is Be a Sequoia, Not a Banzai.

Wherever you guys get books, we'll have the links in the show notes.

If someone wants to go beyond just the book and get deeper into your world, where's the best place to do that?

Awesome.

I appreciate you.

Thank you so much for your time.

Have a great day.

Thanks, Ryan.