Ryan Hanley

I mean, obviously Elon Musk is an exception to an exception.

So I get what I'm asking here, but yeah,

none of his companies do advertising.

None of them.

It's just him on Twitter, you know, talking, saying crazy shit and everyone goes and checks out his company.

Right.

So like, I, I guess every very few founders will ever be Elon Musk or say the crazy shit that he says as much as I love him.

Um,

You know, how do you balance that, right?

Do the founders need to have a personal brand today?

Does there have to be some core intrinsic, you know, this happened in my life and this is why I started it story?

Is that more important than before you think because of this or is it just kind of same and need to be good?

Yeah.

I look at Jensen Wang from, from Nvidia and as their run-up has happened and he started getting out there more before the big run-up, but, but during it, he has been out front.

You see him at more conferences, more, more, you know, talks more, whatever, more panels than,

than i think you saw him in previous years and i have to believe that that is not uh accident right i think that's not like one day he just woke up and said oh i think i'll start doing more talks today i mean it very much feels like a strategy and you know the messaging behind it of like you know i i think it's it's gone viral quite a few times now but that whole like

it's supposed to be hard talk that he gave.

Like I feel blessed that, you know, I had these hardships because they made me better.

And, you know, too many, too many founders are looking for easy.

And, you know, that whole thing he did, I'm butchering it.