Ryan Holiday

Like you thought you were right.

Of course.

It took time and it took patience and it took little things here or there to eventually get you to understand or moderate or change your position.

That's obviously also how you're going to change other people's minds.

Obviously, yeah.

I mean, you could just die of the plague or be attacked by pirates or road bandits or exactly, you know, you get dysentery or whatever.

It was it was rough.

I think Herodotus is both the first historian and the first travel writer, because like you think about it, like to write the first history book.

He couldn't go read other history books because they didn't exist.

He had to go to the place and go like, so you were here when it happened.

Tell me what happened or what is your country believe?

Where did you come from?

This book, The Histories by Herodotus is this fascinating history book.

And actually many of the stories that we have come to us from like he's one of the first ones to tell us the story of the 300 Spartans, for instance.

He traveled all over the world and thousands of miles, as you said, over dusty roads and via ship into foreign countries.

The fascinating thing he picks up is that every society refers to the other society as barbarians.

This is the importance of both travel and the study of history.

You read a lot about America.

You spend a lot of time in America.

You're like, Americans do this.