Sam Tannenhaus

There's actually a friend of mine who told me a long time ago, before I interviewed Pat Buchanan, said he's a really nice guy.

I didn't believe it.

Then I met him, and he is.

But there's something else going on here, too.

is now we're going to get to something that's in the Buckley book, if we want to switch over there.

That's right.

And Pat Buchanan, of course, is still a younger guy than Buckley, but he was raised in all this.

Remember, he comes from Washington.

And he was raised in all this politics.

And when Pat Buchanan had his big fight, really with the neoconservatives during the first Iraq war, something I think you know a little bit about, that first Gulf War.

And the way I treated it in my book, and if you go back and look at the documents and debates at the time, because it's recirculating right now.

Right now it's happening.

There are accusations that if you are skeptical...

of Israel and the way it's conducting this war right now in Gaza, you are anti-Semitic.

And so they look for every opportunity to make that point.

Well, if you go back to the debate Pat Buchanan had... You're talking about the Gulf War in the 90s?

In the first Bush as president, the invasion of Kuwait, the threat to Kuwait, Maggie Thatcher tells Bush, you know, don't get wobbly.

That's it.

Don't get wobbly.

George, don't get wobbly, George.