Sam Tannenhaus

You can get it in hardcover or Kindle.

A paperback is coming in in the spring.

It's a big book, but as you say, it's meant to be read.

It's meant to be read like a story, a true story of a great amount of fascinating figures.

Thanks a million, Steve.

Great talking to you.

Appreciate you, sir.

Well, Chambers goes through about eight or nine names.

and mentioned some others, well-known, not as well-known as his, and the others all go silent.

Because, well, if somebody accuses you of something, accuse you of being a communist.

You've got to remember, Steve, this is an era where if you're accusing someone of being a communist and they're not, that's potential slander or libel, right?

Yeah, well, and Chambers insisted it was a moral battle.

That's what nobody wanted to hear.

It's not just moving chess pieces.

Spiritual war.

It's a moral war.

That's why, you know, when a friend of mine, I think of yours too, Pat Buchanan, tries to say these things.

He tried to say them a long time ago.

Well, first of all, any journalist who interviews Pat Buchanan knows how straight he is, how direct, how uncensored, and how helpful he will be.

And people are shocked by this.