Sam Winter-Levy

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361 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 10 Mar

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Yeah, I think it's worth, I think building dialogue between these two communities is really important because I think the AI community, AI experts are really best placed to understand the technologies that are emerging, but they are not expert on nuclear weapons and nuclear deterrence.
And conversely, the nuclear community knows that field of work, but it's just not necessarily entirely up to
entirely on top of the frontier of AI breakthroughs.
And so just building dialogue between these two states, between these two communities, both in government and outside government, I think is really important if you're worried about kind of fast takeoff scenarios where things could start to change very quickly.
Yes, I think it's certainly possible that new forms of competition may emerge, new technologies may emerge that kind of root around nuclear weapons potentially.
You know, AI is going to matter for national security in all sorts of ways, many of which are kind of hard to foresee in advance.
But so long as states retain second-strike capabilities, as long as they can still credibly threaten to just unleash devastation on an adversary's cities, I think there are good reasons that nuclear deterrence is likely to still matter and is still likely to kind of constrain a state's action.
I mean, you mentioned economic growth.
I mean, the United States and South Korea together right now have a combined 1,000-fold economic advantage over North Korea.
but pretty limited ability to coerce the North Koreans to do things they don't want to do on issues they care about significantly.
So, you know, AI could turbocharge a state's economic power, but so long as these systems of nuclear deterrence remain in place, there may still be limits on how much they can act.
As for, you know, information operations, cyber operations, these are all things to monitor, but the track record of states using
economic sanctions, information operations, cyber operations, to coerce their nuclear-armed opponents is extremely mixed, to put it very generously.
It's just really hard to coerce nuclear-armed states to do things they don't want to do on issues they care about sufficiently.
And I think that's likely to persist so long as nuclear deterrence remains in place.
Nice.
Okay, great.
And maybe I can just give one TV recommendation, which is a British TV show called The Alps Series, which basically started in the 60s and they follow a group of kids.
Yeah.
The first episode in this show is called 7 Up, and they get a group of seven-year-old kids in the 60s, I think in the 60s, and then they check back in on them every seven years, so 7 Up, 14 Up, 21 Up, and you just see all the way through to, I think, 63 Up is the most recent one, and you just see these people's lives unfold over the course of many hours of documentary footage broken down into these kind of seven-year increments, and there's just so much humanity conveyed by...
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