Sarah Gonzalez

And I was like, oh my gosh, like this is kind of like the moment when I was like, what?

And she like rents, she rents clothes and does like that kind of thing and thrifts and like swaps with her friends.

I just, I know too much to want to have very much from this industry.

I know too much to want to have very much from this industry.

I don't think she was like preaching like this is what you should do or that even she is the best consumer ever.

I think the short answer was basically you cannot buy your way out of this problem of bad labor conditions, bad for the environment.

Like buying clothes is not going to solve the problem.

Who doesn't like the idea of things being made in America?

I mean, not for like patriotic reasons, just like made in the USA has to be like the first step.

Like, well, we're getting to better labor conditions and better for the environment.

And she was like, why would you think that?

Like, where did you get that from?

And I was like, I don't know.

Like, isn't that like the goal is made in the USA?

I remember being like, where are the garment factories?

Like, where do you like?

I've never seen one.

I've never been like, oh, look, they're making clothes there.

Like ever.

I used to live in New York City.