Scott Payne

Got it.

You might be a full-time principal firearms instructor for the division and not have any cases, but until the day they say that, you're supposed to be a case saver.

No, because you go where the case takes you.

And if you're working, in my opinion, if you're working long-term cases as a case agent and or as an undercover, one of the hardest decisions is always when to take it down.

right because you make that call or is that like a group decision it depends really the undercover doesn't okay now if it's a if it's something from my division and i'm working tyler or they're including me in for the decision yeah but again undercover's voluntary i could say i'm out wow i'm probably gonna be blackballed and not get picked for a case for a while or ever again yeah but it's it's all voluntary interesting how close were you to doing that

I don't know if I was ever really ever ready to quit.

I got put on timeout about three times.

Well, yeah, when I crashed at the end of the Outlaws thing, I self-reported.

I called Safeguard, and I said, hey, man, I don't know what's going on.

I'm scared.

I think I'm crashing.

Yeah.

Well, I don't want to say die, but it's just like I was a walking zombie.

I didn't know.

I found my threshold that day.

I think it changes.

I'm not trying to say I'm tougher than anybody else.

There's people out there that have done so much more.

Men and women have done so much more.

But I found mine that day.