Seamus Marten

Some guy called Grant Fox had bought me kicking for all.

I was going to say, it's fair to say it's very different to what rugby league is now, right?

did you talk about those roles in terms of like making the shtick work?

It's a really interesting point, because I've been trying to find a way to articulate it, and I don't really know if I'll nail it here, but...

There is, with cafe, that's hard service work stuff.

Yeah.

And you have a persona of being in the limelight and being in the spotlight, but the reality is you're cleaning cars.

Grinding.

Exactly right.

And I always thought there was a really interesting kind of juxtaposition between those two things, because I've seen you there on the tools.

What has the feedback been from the brink and from sharing both you and Ringo's experiences?

Well, on that, so I drove up today and listened to that addiction episode and I've, you know, found myself in the car alone nodding along to Ringo's story because, you know, for your benefit, you won't know this, listeners will stop drinking three years ago.

So I decided, look, that's not, you know, that's not for me anymore.

Stevie was a big help in terms of helping me make that decision.

But, yeah, the feelings associated to it, you know, the feelings of remorse, the three-week hangovers after a huge bender.

I think there's great power in storytelling and in sharing.

And it doesn't matter if it's us, if it's you guys, if it's whoever.

There will be people somewhere along the line that they'll silently nod along and someone will get alongside them and say, listen to this.

Which is interesting because, again, to go back to the public perception of who people think Matthew Ridge is versus who Matthew Ridge actually is.

I'll front up here.