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Shabani Matani

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Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

They get access to troves of phone numbers, Instagram accounts and other data.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Then there were the receptionists like Schweip.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So were you a receptionist?

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So what does a receptionist do?

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Schwab explained to me that as a receptionist, he was the first person that a client would be in contact with.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

That's what the victims were called, by the way, clients.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

His job was to be that first human touch via text message to introduce clients to basically a profitable scheme.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He would lure them bit by bit with real cash rewards.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Can you give me an example of what the script will say at this point?

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And then maybe out of 10 numbers, one person would reply.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

The best part?

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

You don't need any technical skills or prior experience.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So Shoaib was in charge of hooking clients into what's called a task scam.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And others who I interviewed in Cambodia described how this worked to me as well.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

As a client, you're convinced that you've signed up for a remote marketing job and that you just have to like a few YouTube pages, Amazon products.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But to get sort of further in and to be given more things to do, you have to deposit money into an account.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So, you deposit money, you get paid out.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

You deposit more, they give you more work, you get paid out more and earn commission that way.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And this commission structure was sort of deliberately complex.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Maybe it was a way to make it seem more real.