Shaka Senghor

And that is going to empower them to make different life decisions.

And so to get the type of letters I get from the young men that I've met on this part of my journey,

And how they say that one conversation helped them think about life differently, make different decisions.

You know, it requires what's required to do that is a deep understanding of all those consequences.

And you said something earlier that I love.

is that when you enter these spaces, you're not doing a scared straight program.

These young men need to be loved straight.

Like Jason Wilson, what he's doing, you know, it's like.

Yeah.

And acting eye to eye.

Absolutely.

Being vulnerable.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think it works in that context because I've seen it work enough times.

Okay.

What about you, Chris?

No one was doing that back then, right?

No, no, we weren't.

And I mean, even now there's there's I mean, we're still overcoming and fighting against those stigmas, you know, especially when you factor in some of the environmental issues.