Shamita Basu

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I'm Shamita Basu.

Today, inside ICE's rapid expansion and where it could go from here.

Since President Trump took office just over a year ago, federal immigration enforcement has substantially expanded, with a significantly larger budget and thousands of agents deployed in aggressive operations in cities across the U.S.

Nowhere has that escalation been more visible than in Minneapolis, where federal officers killed two American citizens in January, Renee Good and Alex Preddy, in separate incidents, amplifying already intense public outcry.

Although the Trump administration has been quick to defend the actions of federal agents in previous violent incidents, ruling out excessive use of force even before investigations are conducted, this week, Trump struck a somewhat different tone when asked by Fox News host Will Kane about Preti's death.

That slight shift in rhetoric was accompanied by a change in leadership.

The administration removed U.S.

Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino from overseeing the Minneapolis operation and brought in Border Czar Tom Homan to take his place.

And on Wednesday, the Department of Homeland Security said the federal agents who shot Pretty and Good had been placed on administrative leave.

Kaitlyn won a Pulitzer Prize for her coverage of family separations under the first Trump administration, and she's been closely following ICE's activity through the years and especially the changes over the last 12 months.

I wanted to sit down with Kaitlyn to get her perspective on how we got here, what's happening inside ICE and Border Patrol today, and what these latest developments could mean going forward.

When we spoke earlier this week, I started by asking her how to understand these recent shifts from Trump.

Well, let's take a step back and talk about ICE as an agency.

What was ICE created to do originally, and how different does it look today?

And you mentioned Greg Bovino there, who up until recently was commander at large for Border Patrol.